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  • rmantoo

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    3 great uncles, 2 uncles, my father, and approximately 20 cousins/2ndcousins/etc were or are cops.

    I have always treated every stop like it was one of my uncles who pulled me over. I'm somewhere in the 80-90% range for being let off with warnings. My wife is a sweetheart in most things, but this part of my life seems to make her mad. I get pulled over at least 4 times a year. I generally cruise at 85-90 on highways if I"m not pulling a trailer.

    I go out of my way to keep the officers relaxed: Left arm on windowsill, all windows down, truck off, right hand on steering wheel, truck pulled as far to the right of the road as physically possible. I immediately tell them where my license, ins, and handgun is.

    A Colin County deputy pulled me over in March 2017 for doing about 54 in a 35, and asked me why I was speeding. "Zero excuse, deputy. Full-on case of stupid." "Know how fast you were going?" "Yes sir, when I saw you on the shoulder and looked down, it was 54 or 55."

    He physically jerked back a little in surprise. Took my license and insurance, ran them, came back, and said, "You're the first person this year who hasn't argued or been mad at me. Have a good day, and slow down."

    I know from talking with my cousins that a LOT of people are jerks. They know they're busted speeding, and try and take it out on and get out of it from the cops on the beat. They all universally say that all that does is make it harder to come up with an excuse to let them off. All of my family who are cops agree that this has gotten way worse over the last 30 or so years than ever before. Far fewer people have any interpersonal boundaries and respect, let alone when they are dealing with authority figures (who routinely have to deal with druggies, thugs, and entitled brats).

    If I was running traffic, I know what type of driver I'd stick for every mph over the limit, and every violation, and who I'd try and find reasons to let off with a warning.
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    txinvestigator

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    I pulled over a guy once who was speeding, weaving in and out, not signalling, all during morning rush hour traffic. I was on my way back to the station after a graveyard shift that had been particularly stressful. I just wanted to go home. I didn't want to stop the guy, but I could feel the eyes of all the other drivers on me.

    So I lit the guy up and he pulled over. When I approached him before I could make my greeting he popped off with "don't you have anything better to do?" Well yeah, I have a cozy bed ready waiting for me, but now I am going to be late because I have to write you three tickets, run your DL, check you for warrants, etc...

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    philzgunz

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    But not during the stop.

    Once, during a traffic stop, I got my license out and immediately dropped it between the seat and the console. I figured the last thing I needed was a .40 in my ear so I decided not to start digging for it with the officer approaching. I sheepishly told him my predicament and that I considered it unhealthy for me to have my hand between the seat and the console when he arrived at my window. He said, "just slow it down" and went back to his car and left. Maybe he just wanted to see if he could smell alcohol on me? Other comments stated that police officers relax when the driver has a LTC. That has always been my philosophy, when you pull the LTC on them, the person has proven him/her self to be trustworthy and not a trouble maker. Some reports came out just after concealed carry was allowed in Texas, that police officers were not happy to learn their "subject" was armed and some gave the carrier a hard time. Licensed holders are the good guys. I hope all law enforcement sees it that way.
     

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    ....... Other comments stated that police officers relax when the driver has a LTC. That has always been my philosophy, when you pull the LTC on them, the person has proven him/her self to be trustworthy and not a trouble maker. Some reports came out just after concealed carry was allowed in Texas, that police officers were not happy to learn their "subject" was armed and some gave the carrier a hard time. ......
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    Old_Inspector

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    It has been a few years since I was stopped (for speeding) but I have been involved in accidents several times here in the Houston area where I was hit from behind. The first thing I do is put the LTC and TDL together with the TDL on top and put the insurance card below that. Most of the time, there is not even a comment from the responding officer but occasionally, the officer will ask "Where is it?" and I tell him where everything is concealed. After the CHL system was begun in 1997, often the police officer wanted to see the pistol, now most just want to know where it is. I don't like people fooling with loaded guns around me, not friends and not cops.
    I agree about putting the insurance card in a case on the visor over the steering wheel. I also put my TDL and LTC in separate and smaller wallets after I had a wallet stolen.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Once, during a traffic stop, I got my license out and immediately dropped it between the seat and the console. I figured the last thing I needed was a .40 in my ear so I decided not to start digging for it with the officer approaching. I sheepishly told him my predicament and that I considered it unhealthy for me to have my hand between the seat and the console when he arrived at my window. He said, "just slow it down" and went back to his car and left. Maybe he just wanted to see if he could smell alcohol on me? Other comments stated that police officers relax when the driver has a LTC. That has always been my philosophy, when you pull the LTC on them, the person has proven him/her self to be trustworthy and not a trouble maker. Some reports came out just after concealed carry was allowed in Texas, that police officers were not happy to learn their "subject" was armed and some gave the carrier a hard time. Licensed holders are the good guys. I hope all law enforcement sees it that way.

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    candcallen

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    I don't like people fooling with loaded guns around me, not friends and not cops.
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    This.

    This is why I hate handing off my weapon to police. Back home, as long as I can remember, since AZ has always been open carry, police have had a habit of always securing you weapon. 1st, most police are not gun people and most know little about guns other than what they carry. After years of watching officers qualify I'm horrified of what I've seen. I dont want them behind me phucking with a loaded weapon.

    Also, I dont want them behind me phucking with my weapon trying to unload it or disassemble it which was also SOP. It pissed me off to have my gun taken apart and unloaded and put in my trunk. Christ almighty only knows why they do this even after running you. Hell even after ccw started where you passed background checks. Why?

    Thankfully this hasn't happened here in Texas. I've never even been asked to produce the weapon. The safest place is in the holster unfugged with unless needed.
     

    Mohawk600

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    Once, during a traffic stop, I got my license out and immediately dropped it between the seat and the console. I figured the last thing I needed was a .40 in my ear so I decided not to start digging for it with the officer approaching. I sheepishly told him my predicament and that I considered it unhealthy for me to have my hand between the seat and the console when he arrived at my window. He said, "just slow it down" and went back to his car and left. Maybe he just wanted to see if he could smell alcohol on me? Other comments stated that police officers relax when the driver has a LTC. That has always been my philosophy, when you pull the LTC on them, the person has proven him/her self to be trustworthy and not a trouble maker. Some reports came out just after concealed carry was allowed in Texas, that police officers were not happy to learn their "subject" was armed and some gave the carrier a hard time. Licensed holders are the good guys. I hope all law enforcement sees it that way.


    The officer knows by running your tag....before he even approaches your vehicle.....whether or not you have an LTC.......provided you are driving a vehicle registered to you. As they also know whether it is insured or not.....they don't need "proof"
     

    txinvestigator

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    The officer knows by running your tag....before he even approaches your vehicle.....whether or not you have an LTC.......provided you are driving a vehicle registered to you. As they also know whether it is insured or not.....they don't need "proof"
    Your "tag" is not connected to your LTC. A good dispatcher will conduct a DL check on the registered owner of a vehicle, and some departments MDTs are programmed to do that automatically; however, the LTC database is only directly connected to the DPS DL/ID database.
     

    RobertTheTexan

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    Let's make sure the law is clear. A license holder is required to present his LTC along with the appropriate license anytime a peace officer or magistrate demands that the license holder identify himself, if the license holder is carrying a handgun on or about his person.

    Just hand over your LTC, no requirement to state that you are carrying or to give the location.
    There is no penalty for failing to display the license, not even administrative. (Well, other than potentially off the cop)

    No such requirement exists for non-license holders.

    Unfortunately I get stopped more tha. I probably should. Not always speeding though and not always a ticket (brake light, taillight inop etc) each time I’ve handed them my CHL along with my DL & proof of insurance.

    So of those 10-13 times I’m guesstimating, about 60% of the time they’ve said nothing and handed my chl back. The remaining 40% the officer asked if I was carrying. Of that 40% a couple of times were new officers accompanied by a senior officer who was observing. Both times the junior asked if I was carrying and WHERE I was carrying. I answered both with the same basic answer. Yes I’m carrying and it’s on my person (a bit redundant I know). The senior picked up on that and smiled, but I had no interest in telling her where I had my pistol. Both times when they walked to her cruiser, they walked backwards more or less and once I believe she had her hand on her pistol. And both times (different officers altogether) rolled their eyes and said more or less, “Yeaaaah....she’s new.” And we just chatted about whatever, once was about our military service where we were stationed etc. and the other I don’t recall.

    One thing to note however is one of these times with the noob is that it wasn’t long after some asshat retard walked up and shot an LEO a gas station, IIRC.
     

    RobertTheTexan

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    I pulled over a guy once who was speeding, weaving in and out, not signalling, all during morning rush hour traffic. I was on my way back to the station after a graveyard shift that had been particularly stressful. I just wanted to go home. I didn't want to stop the guy, but I could feel the eyes of all the other drivers on me.

    So I lit the guy up and he pulled over. When I approached him before I could make my greeting he popped off with "don't you have anything better to do?" Well yeah, I have a cozy bed ready waiting for me, but now I am going to be late because I have to write you three tickets, run your DL, check you for warrants, etc...

    Some people talk themselves right into their crappy days

    Well played. My dad raised me to respect authority. Decade and a half in the Army just reinforced the idea of respecting the position, be it a battalion cdr or LEO. I will say it was a lot easier when I was a young buck. Now that I’m old some of these guys out there could be my kid and some are pretty full of themselves. I never have a problem because I respect the position. If I do get a verbal or a warning it’s more often than not another veteran. Last time I was in NM, and while he was running my creds another patrolman pulled over - both were vets and we talked so long the wife got irritated waiting in the truck while we were telling stories. I got the ticket, but he knocked off some MPH’s which went a long way in helping me out.


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    RobertTheTexan

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    Absolutely correct.

    Don't mishandle my G19 - it has a 3.5 trigger.

    Booms easily........

    Your carry gun has a 3.5lb trigger? Man I don’t trust myself or the adrenaline to have that light of a trigger on my carry guns. That’s one reason I’m one of 5 people in the world who likes the Glock trigger. Well maybe 6 people. Lol


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    ZX9RCAM

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    Your carry gun has a 3.5lb trigger? Man I don’t trust myself or the adrenaline to have that light of a trigger on my carry guns. That’s one reason I’m one of 5 people in the world who likes the Glock trigger. Well maybe 6 people. Lol


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    Maybe he's talking about a 3.5# disconnect....
     
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