Using race to divide gun owners...

[Low_Speed]

Best way to destroy 2A is to throw in the race card. It’s like putting sand in the cogs of a perfectly functioning machine.

Color is not an issue. We are aware and let’s be united as one unit.

For you and others that wish it to not be an issue. Look, most if not all of us wish that you were correct but for some people it is an issue.


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[ZX9RCAM]

I like Judge Judy but she is limited to her own experience. In other words, she can only speak for herself. You think black persons didn’t understand what the looks they got meant when they entered a “whites only” establishment. It’s not that long ago that blacks would get that same look in a Denny’s or Cracker Barrel restaurant. Now Cracker Barrel is my favorite place to go.


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My post while it happened to come after yours, was not a response to you.

 

[Low_Speed]

My post while it happened to come after yours, was not a response to you.

Gotcha.


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[Kar98]

This is just feel good bullshit. Doesn't change the way blacks or any other minority groups vote.
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Does too. Three of the most rabid Trump supporters I know are as black as they can get.

 

[Younggun]

Does too. Three of the most rabid Trump supporters I know are as black as they can get.

You just witnessed a perfect example of what collectivism gets you.


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[Kar98]

Not sure what you mean by that. They don't know each other. Totally different social circles and income groups.

 

[Younggun]

Not sure what you mean by that. They don't know each other. Totally different social circles and income groups.

I was talking about the post you replied to.


Someone wanting to lump everyone in to a box based on their race. Collectivist ignorance. Exactly like the leftists.


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[toddnjoyce]

Even today many of the laws on the books on guns disproportionately effect blacks and other minorities. I

Can you provide a specific example of a gun law in effect today that disproportionately affects someone based solely on their race?

 

[benenglish]

I don't think the National African American Gun Association divides gun owners by race any more than Texas Gun Talk divides us by geography or the Pink Pistols divide us by sexual orientation.

There's nothing inherently divisive about saying "Hey, we've got two things in common. Let's form a club." We're all shooters and we can all get along. Having something else in common just gives folks a jumping-off point for getting together to shoot, talk, and otherwise enjoy each others company.

 

[MTA]

I don't think the National African American Gun Association divides gun owners by race any more than Texas Gun Talk divides us by geography or the Pink Pistols divide us by sexual orientation.

There's nothing inherently divisive about saying "Hey, we've got two things in common. Let's form a club." We're all shooters and we can all get along. Having something else in common just gives folks a jumping-off point for getting together to shoot, talk, and otherwise enjoy each others company.

Wanna join the National European American Gun Association? I promise we will stay off the terror watch list for atleast a few months

 

[pronstar]

Wanna join the National European American Gun Association? I promise we will stay off the terror watch list for atleast a few months

NEAGA


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[avvidclif]

NEAGA


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Say that rapidly.

 

[Kar98]

Say that rapidly.

Pleeeeeease...

 

[Low_Speed]

Can you provide a specific example of a gun law in effect today that disproportionately affects someone based solely on their race?

Don’t think that I said that solely based on race. Just that the laws disproportionately effect blacks and minorities.
Let start with the high permit fees for gun ownership in places like Chicago, New York, etc. CCL costing around $250 in Rhode Island to $450 in New York. Ammo taxes in places like Cook County, Illinois and Seattle. Out of the 8000+ CC licenses in New York almost all of them are issued to upper income residents living on the Manhattan Upper West Side. How many poor to middle class Blacks and Hispanics live in that area and have the money for the permits?

In “May Issue” states, blacks get permits in much lower rates than they are able in Right to Carry states.

With Red Flag Law states, how many blacks and minorities would be able to hire attorneys to fight them?

 

[Younggun]

Don’t think that I said that solely based on race. Just that the laws disproportionately effect blacks and minorities.
Let start with the high permit fees for gun ownership in places like Chicago, New York, etc. CCL costing around $250 in Rhode Island to $450 in New York. Ammo taxes in places like Cook County, Illinois and Seattle. Out of the 8000+ CC licenses in New York almost all of them are issued to upper income residents living on the Manhattan Upper West Side. How many poor to middle class Blacks and Hispanics live in that area and have the money for the permits?

I’m gonna guess it will be about the same as the number of poor to middle class whites in that area.

Those laws are BS for everybody.




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[toddnjoyce]

Don’t think that I said that solely based on race.

That’s exactly what you said.

Even today many of the laws on the books on guns disproportionately effect blacks and other minorities. Is it better now? Yeah, but it still happens.

Just that the laws disproportionately effect blacks and minorities.

Disparate impact in your examples appear to based on financial issues and not race.

I have yet to find a single case in America today where social or economic issues are limited to a single race, color, or national origin.

That leaves the may issue question. Let’s take Texas, for example, since DPS actually tracks demographic data of LTC applicants.

In 2018, the most denied racial category, 65% of all 2043 denials applicants reported their race as White.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/2018Fiscal/byRace_Gender/2LicenseApplicationsDenied.pdf

So, let’s look at applications approved, where it shows those reporting race as “white” apply at 10x the rate of any other race and 4x the rate of all minorities, combined.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/2018Fiscal/byRace_Gender/1LicenseApplicationsIssued.pdf

So, in this limited set, again the assertion isn’t proven, especially considering minority felons by race to whites is as high as 4:1.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#detail

If minorities aren’t applying, they can’t be denied. The sound bite of disparate impact feels good, but in this state that comprises nearly 10% of the population of these 50 states, the data just doesn’t support it.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Watched a few minutes of a TV show last night.
It's a new series.
The episode last night concerned doing away with "cash bail" in New York because it's not fair to poor people.

 

[Low_Speed]

That’s exactly what you said.





Disparate impact in your examples appear to based on financial issues and not race.

I have yet to find a single case in America today where social or economic issues are limited to a single race, color, or national origin.

That leaves the may issue question. Let’s take Texas, for example, since DPS actually tracks demographic data of LTC applicants.

In 2018, the most denied racial category, 65% of all 2043 denials applicants reported their race as White.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/2018Fiscal/byRace_Gender/2LicenseApplicationsDenied.pdf

So, let’s look at applications approved, where it shows those reporting race as “white” apply at 10x the rate of any other race and 4x the rate of all minorities, combined.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/LTC/Reports/2018Fiscal/byRace_Gender/1LicenseApplicationsIssued.pdf

So, in this limited set, again the assertion isn’t proven, especially considering minority felons by race to whites is as high as 4:1.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#detail

If minorities aren’t applying, they can’t be denied. The sound bite of disparate impact feels good, but in this state that comprises nearly 10% of the population of these 50 states, the data just doesn’t support it.

Wait, how do you copy my quote and still be incorrect about what I said?! Totally Looney Toons! Blacks and Hispanics are the lowest groups on the economic scales. You are the one that said “solely” for Christ’s sakes.

And I spoke about “May Issue” vs “Shall Issue” and you bring up Texas which is Shall Issue for your example. How does Beto come up with a better response to support his argument than you with yours?!


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[toddnjoyce]

Wait, how do you copy my quote and still be incorrect about what I said?!

Context is difficult in the written word. I simply replied to the text you wrote. [/quote]

Blacks and Hispanics are the lowest groups on the economic scales. You are the one that said “solely” for Christ’s sakes.

Correlation does not equal causation. My position is that race is not causal; what you are stating, at best, might meet the criteria of disparate impact, which is unintended, and not disparate treatment, which is intentional. However, disparate impact must still be proven by cause of protected class.

Outside of NYC, no state charges more than $150 for a permit

And I spoke about “May Issue” vs “Shall Issue” and you bring up Texas which is Shall Issue for your example. How does Beto come up with a better response to support his argument than you with yours?!

Find one of the nine may issue state that tracks demographic data and I’ll look at it. Not secondary research, but actual primary research data.

 

[Bithabus]

Poor whites can't afford permits either. The .gov used to screw over blacks, now they screw over everyone.