Looks like I kicked type 2 diabetes in the balls

[TxStetson]

Do tell. Best we have around here is Bush’s.

The best I’ve found so far is Belle’s Chicken Diner in Abilene. But there is nothing healthy about the place. Just good old fashioned fried food.

 

[Shady]

Fried chicken is fine just have to leave off the flower breading. You can even go deep fried in peanut oil.

 

[vmax]

Guys, the reason that keto, or low carb, or cutting calories helps when you have Type 2 diabetes isn’t because the food you can or can’t eat to fit the diet necessarily. Although it can help with blood sugar spikes after eating.

The reason it helps the great majority of the population is the resulting weight loss, or ...fat loss.

When you eat food, a normal healthy person’s body releases insulin.. a hormone that enters the bloodstream to take the glucose, that your body converted from the food you just ate, into your tissue for energy.

The body was designed so that food is fuel to do work and move. So when you eat, it breaks down the food into glucose sugar, and insulin carries that glucose into the tissue for use.

As the insulin tries to carry the glucose into the tissue, the cells begin to resist the absorption of glucose sugar so your pancreas increases production of insulin and this helps for awhile, but in a lot of cases, it is only a short term fix, and eventually, the body stops or lowers the amount of insulin it makes and your blood glucose levels remain high and you may be diagnoses with diabetes.

If your fasting blood glucose is over 100, you need to do 2 things to help reverse things.
Lose body fat and move more.
Even a brisk 10 minute walk right after you eat can help reduce blood sugar spikes because your legs have the larges muscles in your body and as you walk you are giving the body a way to use the excess blood sugar right away instead of eating and laying on the couch. (Very bad habit to have)

And as a rule of thumb, I would not recommend anyone eat more than 10% of their daily calories from saturated fats

 

[vmax]

Here is a good chart showing different oils /fats used for cooking
Dark green is better

As far as good fats go, I like to eat a small handful of walnuts every day. I also eat almost weekly, avocados, almonds, almond butter, dark chocolate, about 12 eggs a week, and I take fish oil every day.

 

[BillFairbanks]

Yes, it is. No matter how many wonderful meals like the ones you posted I eat, when I'm trying to be low-carb there will inevitably arise occasions when I'd murder a kitten for a bottomless Coca-Cola and a bowl of noodles from a Chinese joint.

Kittens are low carb


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[Shady]

I disagree 100 % what you eat has a dramatic impact on your blood sugar info. Eat a loaf of bread or a bag of fried pork skin and check 3 hours latter what your Blood sugar numbers are.

Thing is a pre diabetic or full diabetic is not what is considered a normal person and the body of a diabetic does not do what its supposed to do.

Bodies are designed to use fuel does not matter if its ketones or "sugar" and ketones do not mess with a diabetics functions like a sugar fuel does

Guys, the reason that keto, or low carb, or cutting calories helps when you have Type 2 diabetes isn’t because the food you can or can’t eat to fit the diet necessarily. Although it can help with blood sugar spikes after eating.


The reason it helps the great majority of the population is the resulting weight loss, or ...fat loss.

When you eat food, a normal healthy person’s body releases insulin.. a hormone that enters the bloodstream to take the glucose, that your body converted from the food you just ate, into your tissue for energy.

The body was designed so that food is fuel to do work and move. So when you eat, it breaks down the food into glucose sugar, and insulin carries that glucose into the tissue for use.

As the insulin tries to carry the glucose into the tissue, the cells begin to resist the absorption of glucose sugar so your pancreas increases production of insulin and this helps for awhile, but in a lot of cases, it is only a short term fix, and eventually, the body stops or lowers the amount of insulin it makes and your blood glucose levels remain high and you may be diagnoses with diabetes.

If your fasting blood glucose is over 100, you need to do 2 things to help reverse things.
Lose body fat and move more.
Even a brisk 10 minute walk right after you eat can help reduce blood sugar spikes because your legs have the larges muscles in your body and as you walk you are giving the body a way to use the excess blood sugar right away instead of eating and laying on the couch. (Very bad habit to have)

And as a rule of thumb, I would not recommend anyone eat more than 10% of their daily calories from saturated fats

 

[Shady]

Government studies also bought us the food pyramid.

Here is a good chart showing different oils /fats used for cooking
Dark green is better

As far as good fats go, I like to eat a small handful of walnuts every day. I also eat almost weekly, avocados, almonds, almond butter, dark chocolate, about 12 eggs a week, and I take fish oil every day.

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[pronstar]

Government studies also bought us the food pyramid.

Yeah .gov food guidelines have been spotty at best:

Fat is bad, so it’s replaced with sugar.
Sugar is bad, so it’s replaced with corn syrup.
Carbs are good.

All guidelines produced in lockstep with lobbying efforts from the food industry.



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[bfm0072]

Congratulations to you. I am happy for you.

 

[karlac]

If fried chicken is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Love my fried chicken, but do it right for me.
Low carb since Nov 6, 2018, figured it out in April 28, 2019.
Eat my fill of it weekly.

Thighs and drumsticks dipped in an egg wash, rolled in pork panko for breading (seasoned with Tony Chachere's) , not flour, and deep fried in bacon grease.

As good a fried chicken the proverbial yo mama made.

And that's with a daily net carb intake averaging 13.2 carbs since 4/28/2019.

 

[karlac]

All guidelines produced in lockstep with lobbying efforts from the food industry.

Bingo .. and all based on the corn industry supported hypothesis of the Ancel Keys "7 Country Study", an observational study (the worst type, notorious for its inaccuracy), that started with 24 countries, but with 17 thrown out because they did not fit the hypothesis.

The genesis of the current epidemic of diabetes and heart disease ... and still paid homage to in that chart of oils posted above, although thoroughly debunked by modern bio-chemistry.

 

[TheDan]

pork panko

I've never heard it called that, but it's a great description. I pulse chicharrones in a food processor with Parmesan to make a very low carb breading. Here's some low carb fried green tomatoes...

 

[pronstar]

Bingo .. and all based on the corn industry supported hypothesis of the Ancel Keys "7 Country Study", an observational study (the worst type, notorious for its inaccuracy), that started with 24 countries, but with 17 thrown out because they did not fit the hypothesis.

The genesis of the current epidemic of diabetes and heart disease ... and still paid homage to in that chart of oils posted above, although thoroughly debunked by modern bio-chemistry.

It’s amazing how much influence John Harvey Kellogg has on food production, and food guidelines...as well as a host of weird shit that he stood for, some of which made its way into the daily lives of Americans.


https://www.history.com/news/dr-john-kellogg-cereal-wellness-wacky-sanitarium-treatments


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[karlac]

I pulse chicharrones in a food processor with Parmesan to make a very low carb breading. Here's some low carb fried green tomatoes...

Couldn't find my photos of pork panko fried catfish, caught off the dock. But I do love my low carb goodness: "cowboy" burgers made with diced mushrooms, garlic mashed cauliflower with cheese, and asparagus.

Studied cooking at my Cajun mama's knee, and have been able to adapt some of the dishes I grew up on to low carb world.

And, while cauliflower does make a damned good "mashed potato" substitute when seasoned right, do miss my rice and gravy, gumbo, sauce piquant, dirty rice, and etouffee ... none of them quite the same without long grain rice.

As my old Italian neighbor would say: "What ya make on the grapes, ya lose on the banana's ..."

 

[karlac]

It’s amazing how much influence John Harvey Kellogg has on food production, and food guidelines...as well as a host of weird shit that he stood for, some of which made its way into the daily lives of Americans.


https://www.history.com/news/dr-john-kellogg-cereal-wellness-wacky-sanitarium-treatments

Best politicians money can buy ...

 

[karlac]

Speaks to what pronstar says in #68 above, from one of the more common sense approaches to eating low carb:

 

[vmax]

Government studies also bought us the food pyramid.

I guess that means you are in disagreement with the information in the chart I posted lol..okay..sure...

 

[vmax]

I average almost 300 grams of carbs per day and average 3300 per day total calories with about 40% coming from protein

I eat about 5 times a day. Insulin is anabolic and helps muscle growth

So by eating more frequently, it promotes the building of muscle if you train

I need those carbs to do what I do.
If I dont eat enough carbs on the day before I train, I feel it. Food is fuel.

If you are not active...dont over eat.
Overeating is what makes you overweight...not the type of food , or when you eat it, or any other bullshit you read.
If you consume more calories than your body needs, you will gain fat.


I train 4 days a week. heavy weights. I do very little cardio.

My body fat percentage is around 22%

If you have high body fat % and think that doesnt effect your insulin sensitivity, you are wrong because it does

Most doctors dont care if you become diabetic under their care, they will just treat you for it. There is little that you can say to most people to get them to change habits before they become diabetic anyway.

My last three fasted blood test were all between 95-97

6 years ago I was warned by a doc that I was headed for pre diabetes so I started making changes. Mostly body fat and exercise level

I still eat about 70-100 grams of fats a day.
Mostly from eggs , nuts and other good sources

I eat a little fried food, but not much
But I eat a lot of gold potatoes and sweet potatoes, white rice and some bread when I want it.

Lots of potassium and vitamins A in the potatoes.

 

[lightflyer1]

I am/was in the same boat. A1c was 12.7 and my triglycerides were off the scale at 2400. Doctor started me off at max dose of metformin and fish oil pills. Didn't really do much at all. I started reading up online about it. My first clue was that my feet were tingly and I knew from family history that that was an early sign. I started on my version of the keto diet which is basically protein and green leafy vegetables. My main meals for supper consist mostly of some type of meat. Hamburger patty with mushrooms and onions, steak grilled or pan fried, pork chops pan fried, baked chicken, you name it. Use lots of lard, coconut oil and olive oil. Lots of green leafy vegetables and salad. Brussel sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, cabbage, cauliflower and such. I take salads to work with me for lunch that usually include some kind of leftover meat from the night before and or boiled eggs. Ken's has some very good vinaigrette dressings I use that are low in sugar and carbs. Pretty high on salt though. But I have taken to using pepper everywhere else I can instead. Breakfast on the weekends is usually bacon and eggs and during the week usually berries such as strawberries or an apple. I try and keep my vegetable intake high as to combat the constipation problem of just meat only. I'm still on some medication of Synardy twice a day and fenofibrate acid for the triglycerides. But my triglycerides are now down in the 140 range and my A1C has dropped from what it was to 6.4 at my last test. If I keep up my diet and start exercising more, which is hard because I'm semi-handicapped, I should be able to get down into the normal range. I drink a lot of water but tired of just that alone. I have started to buy the old Kool-Aid packages with no sugar off of Amazon in bulk and I bought bulk stevia to use with it. I make small packets to take with me that I can mix with water while on the go. I use the stevia with anything that I want to have some sweetness with. Hard not to cheat though at times. I almost never have carbs anymore other than the occasional Vietnamese noodle bowl which I love. My endocrinologist said they were okay as long as it was every once in awhile and not a constant diet.

My wife has hated this and we seldom eat together any more. She just had a heart attack 2 weeks ago though and the doctor told her she should be changing to a similar diet as well. My wife is very tiny and the doctor said she is not a candidate for stents or bypass, so change is needed for her immediately. She is having a hard time coping though, especially the stop smoking part.

 

[leVieux]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

I am a retired Med School Prof and very experienced in this area. I strongly suggest that "Keto" can be very dangerous and has very many long-term failures. Ask your physician to allow you to get on the "Naturally Slim" Weight Management Program which is available on-line w/o prescription. This teaches life-long habits and similar but less restrictive limitations. If your physician prescribes it, your insurance may cover the $450 cost; but ASK First. O/W, you could just buy it on-line.
This program is 100% science based with tons of research and results. Difference, this provides long term relief from overweight; much unlike KETO which has over 90% long-term failures. This comes from the LSU Pennington Biomedical Center @ Baton Rouge and is used extensively throughout the University of Texas Systems. It was developed BECAUSE OF the numerous long term failures of your "Keto". leVieux