This should be against the rules and bannable

[Wildcat Diva]

That sounds like looking for an excuse not to do it instead of finding a solution. Common sense is that a restaurant is a public place that people normally go to socialize, and you can always take someone with you.

One of the things that makes TGT better than other forums is this isn't just an ephemeral internet hangout; we do things together in real life. It solidifies us as a community. Would hate for others to miss out on that.

Not everyone who wants to participate in an online community and reap the benefits thereof wants to participate In a face to face event. There are many reasons I could list why this might not be a good idea or a reasonable request for someone new to the forum.

People looking to fully participate in an online forum should not be required to participate in a real life event.

This forum doesn’t get enough women participating as it is.

 

[candcallen]

It's all just annoying till your stuffed in a car cuffed figuring out how much it's going to cost you to not become a felon or class A MM conviction for the stolen gun you're in possession of that's changed hands thru a half dozen flippers and friends and who you gotta screw over trying to trace it back to the person responsible.

Yes it's rare. Yes it happens. No you absolutely dont want to be in that position or somewhere in the chain of such a gun. I get the wording of the law and the penalties possible. But nowhere does it say what an arrest will do to your record nor how much money and time it will cost you to prove you didnt know and lawyer to argue value etc. It will cost you more than the gun that's for sure and some libtard prosecutor may get a hard on for a gun case. Let's not even get into the BOS BS arguements. Good or bad.

Howl and cast insults if you want but if you dont consider this a possibility when dealing with flippers or noobs who fly in to sell then disappear your niave. It's why people prefer to deal with known individuals and why they take offense to those taking advantage of a post count with emojis or likes.

 

[Geezer]

What does that have to do with anything?

Let me try to explain, some people come onto the site and use the resources for their own pleasure and/or profit. Many of these same people complain about something on the site or want things changed to suit them. These people do not contribute anything to help with the cost of running the site.
Supporting the site is not mandatory. And, as far as I can tell, supporting the site will not buy you any special privileges. Supporting the site will assure that the site that we all enjoy will be here the next time we log on.
We all like to complain about "entitled" people. I see this site as the same thing, some support, some are along for the free ride. Change my mind.

 

[candcallen]

When anyone says "common sense" solution....
Just disagree without the BS. People can handle it.

 

[TreyG-20]

Let me try to explain, some people come onto the site and use the resources for their own pleasure and/or profit. Many of these same people complain about something on the site or want things changed to suit them. These people do not contribute anything to help with the cost of running the site.
Supporting the site is not mandatory. And, as far as I can tell, supporting the site will not buy you any special privileges. Supporting the site will assure that the site that we all enjoy will be here the next time we log on.
We all like to complain about "entitled" people. I see this site as the same thing, some support, some are along for the free ride. Change my mind.

But how do you know that these people haven't supported the site? I see your still a somewhat newer member here, so it would be easy for you to assume that because someone who doesn't have a site supporter badge that they haven't contributed. I have several times since I have been here, but don't carry the badge currently. Does that mean your opinion is more valid than another because of a 10 dollar donation? Did you know there are other ways to show support for the forum than monetary donations?

 

[Wildcat Diva]

So, for one thing. Maybe I’m the one tasked with meeting someone face to face. Someone could meet me face to face for an hour and play nice and that doesn’t mean much just cause I assess “yeah, they seem cool.”

Also, what of the opposite: if I am a new member and some random TGT member in my area is tasked to meet me. He meets me and what if he thinks I’m sketchy/ weird/ won’t vouch for me and then I can’t post an ad because one of the members who lives in my area doesn’t like me?

 

[Wildcat Diva]

When anyone says "common sense" solution....
Just disagree without the BS. People can handle it.

I never used the word “solution.” I just used the term “common sense,” to describe a way of thinking.

It is not BS to to say that women AS A GROUP have been trained to think that it should go against your better judgment to meet up face to face with someone you encounter online.

If you want to turn off women from this site, then just ignore what I am saying and let that be one more thing about this forum that isn’t very female friendly.

 

[Geezer]

But how do you know that these people haven't supported the site? I see your still a somewhat newer member here, so it would be easy for you to assume that because someone who doesn't have a site supporter badge that they haven't contributed. I have several times since I have been here, but don't carry the badge currently. Does that mean your opinion is more valid than another because of a 10 dollar donation? Did you know there are other ways to show support for the forum than monetary donations?

Then if you support the forum my message was not for you.

 

[candcallen]

I never used the word “solution.” I just used the term “common sense,” to describe a way of thinking.

It is not BS to to say that women AS A GROUP have been trained to think that it should go against your better judgment to meet up face to face with someone you encounter online.

If you want to turn off women from this site, then just ignore what I am saying and let that be one more thing about this forum that isn’t very female friendly.

I never used the word “solution.” I just used the term “common sense,” to describe a way of thinking.

It is not BS to to say that women AS A GROUP have been trained to think that it should go against your better judgment to meet up face to face with someone you encounter online.

If you want to turn off women from this site, then just ignore what I am saying and let that be one more thing about this forum that isn’t very female friendly.

I wasnt addressing you. Sorry I was addressing "the Dan". I should have linked the post and apparently read a bit closer.

If you both said the "common sense" trope well I guess it depends on meaning. When someone used "common sense solution" to dismiss another's opinion it's an insult. That's my point. It's a short cut without meaning.

For the record I think forcing people to meet others is a bad idea for many reasons. Mainly that comes naturally after interacting online and for the reasons you stated.

Hope that clears up confusion. When someone tells me anything is a common sense solution to any issue they are saying you're a rube or fool or too stupid to understand anyways so take my word for it. That's what I object to.

 

[TheDan]

Most of the suggestions seem to put more work on the mods. Not sure that is the way to go.

Character limits and unique word counts can be automated. That would stop the people doing the one word necro-posts.

More posts and more classified ads is a good thing for the forum and owner and in the long run may bring more contributing members as well.

This is why I lean more towards not having a rule at all. People trading guns is vital to gun culture. From a legal standpoint the more people have guns, the more "in common use" they are.

It is not BS to to say that women AS A GROUP have been trained to think that it should go against your better judgment to meet up face to face with someone you encounter online.

Before the internet it was common practice for a woman to bring a chaperone along to events where there would be strangers. Don't know why that expectation would be any different now. I would suggest men bring a friend with them as well.

If you want to turn off women from this site, then just ignore what I am saying and let that be one more thing about this forum that isn’t very female friendly.

Hyperbole. Do you have any suggestions?

 

[TreyG-20]

Then if you support the forum my message was not for you.

I cannot help but to notice that many of the members complaining or making suggestions are not supporting members of the site.

Okay. Again how do you know if these people do or do not support the site? Do you know them personally and they told you that they do not?

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Character limits and unique word counts can be automated. That would stop the people doing the one word necro-posts.

This is why I lean more towards not having a rule at all. People trading guns is vital to gun culture. From a legal standpoint the more people have guns, the more "in common use" they are.

Before the internet it was common practice for a woman to bring a chaperone along to events where there would be strangers. Don't know why that expectation would be any different now. I would suggest men bring a friend with them as well.

Hyperbole. Do you have any suggestions?

Bringing a chaperone, meeting in person and going to that much trouble and uphill from what seems common sense and what we are trained to think as safe, to participate in an online forum is over the top, ridiculous effort for a requirement to post an ad.

I thought I was shooting straight. I wasn’t kidding. How is that hyperbole?

I made one suggestion upthread about so many “quality” posts, then a mod review for access to certain sub forums. Probably one of the first comments in the thread. Let me find the number.

edit: it was post #6. I stand by my suggestion there.

 

[TheDan]

Howl and cast insults if you want but if you dont consider this a possibility when dealing with flippers or noobs who fly in to sell then disappear your niave. It's why people prefer to deal with known individuals and why they take offense to those taking advantage of a post count with emojis or likes.

I made a suggestion that would be the hardest to game method to make sure you're dealing with known individuals.

I also think we probably just shouldn't have a rule on it at all. Just because a classifieds ad exists from an unknown person doesn't mean you have to act on it.

People can handle it.

Yeah, exactly.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Also... what good would meeting someone face to face do? All that effort for WHAT information do we supposedly have now?

I already posted a comment questioning that assumption, that meeting someone face to face means much of anything. Anyone can make a erroneously good or bad face to face impression.

Why don’t we just go whole hog and run a background check?

 

[TheDan]

How is that hyperbole?

It's hyperbole to say we're turning off women in general to the site. It's clear that some men would be uncomfortable with the rule of having to meet other members as well, and that is fine.

I made one suggestion upthread about so many “quality” posts, then a mod review for access to certain sub forums. Probably one of the first comments in the thread. Let me find the number.

edit: it was post #6. I stand by my suggestion there.

Ah, sorry I missed it. Thanks.

 

[TheDan]

Also... what good would meeting someone face to face do? All that effort for WHAT information do we supposedly have now?

I already posted a comment questioning that assumption, that meeting someone face to face means much of anything. Anyone can make a erroneously good or bad face to face impression.

Well you made a good point earlier that a creep can pretend to be normal for a short amount of time, so you might not get any reliable information, but in general people are just much more affable after having face to face conversations. Just a little bit of face time with someone makes online conversations more meaningful, and you understand the other person better.

 

[Whistler]

I thought when Craigslist started up " man here's a good idea that's going to become a nightmare if they don't figure out a way to keep it from becoming bait". They didn't, it did. I used to do business on Arms list and Gun Trader until the flakes and scammers made it just not worth the trouble.

What I notice is folks that opine there should be no rules don't seem to be the ones I see active in the Classifieds, maybe they don't have a dog in the fight. I don't need anybody to hold my hand, done plenty of FTF deals with strangers. Some were flakes and it was a pain in the ass, part of the game.

BUT seeing names in the classifieds I see every day in thread after thread having friendly discussion makes me feel like a FTF deal is going to be pretty reasonable. So far that's been true and it was true of the local forum I participated on in Colorado, even made a friend or two. I feel like I'm part of a community and not just another buy/sell website.

I don't know what's a reasonable amount of effort for the mods or what is least likely to be gamed. Maybe just be active and you'll know who's a flake or potential scammer but I don't think it should be wide open because of what we've all seen happen to the rest of them.

If there are any women or just folks uncomfortable about going to a deal in my area ping me, I'll ride along.

 

[Younggun]

My simple thoughts:

We do need to maintain some requirement for classified access in order to avoid certain issues. The section is for our members and there are some guidelines to keep it clean and useful. With no rules it would be flooded with no post count flippers around election cycles.



As far as trust issues go, we all have the ability to ignore an ad if we feel uncomfortable. If their is something specific in the post that gives the impression there is nefarious intent PLEASE report it.

The rules are being adjusted to require “real posts”, not just a word posted in 25 different threads. This will not be retroactively enforced though.



I’ve been watching the thread and appreciate all the comments and ideas. The feedback is great and all is being taken under consideration.


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[perfor8]

All this hand-wringing over strangers selling/buying guns - where else do I hear that?

 

[Hoji]

Let me try to explain, some people come onto the site and use the resources for their own pleasure and/or profit. Many of these same people complain about something on the site or want things changed to suit them. These people do not contribute anything to help with the cost of running the site.
Supporting the site is not mandatory. And, as far as I can tell, supporting the site will not buy you any special privileges. Supporting the site will assure that the site that we all enjoy will be here the next time we log on.
We all like to complain about "entitled" people. I see this site as the same thing, some support, some are along for the free ride. Change my mind.

And some support behind the scenes.