Coronavirus Epidemic

[Kar98]

Proximity is part of the difference.

A caregiver is much more likely to have someone cough right in their face, ergo face shields for them also. Hard to provide much care from 6+ft.

That's what the stick is for.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Just got an email from "The Officers Store".

See the part circled....

 

[Rhino]

Just got an email from "The Officers Store".

See the part circled....

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My guess is it will still be useful at that point and at least they were up front about it.

 

[DubiousDan]

Is it just me, or is this contradicting itself in the same paragraph?


"The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus."


https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

Surgical masks and N95 masks are different. N95 will filter out pathogens that are spread by droplet like one would expect to be present from a sneeze or cough.

This is a surgical mask it does not provide a proper seal to protect the wearer from pathogens and the material it is made from is not an effective filter.

This is a N95 mask. It is designed to not allow for air flow around the edges if worn properly.

 

[outdare]

Saw this pop up. How much longer till this happens here? It is a skynews vid about people organizing mass store robberies via social networking and the cash economy collapsing.




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[Lunyfringe]

Surgical masks and N95 masks are different. N95 will filter out pathogens that are spread by droplet like one would expect to be present from a sneeze or cough.

This is a surgical mask it does not provide a proper seal to protect the wearer from pathogens and the material it is made from is not an effective filter.

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This is a N95 mask. It is designed to not allow for air flow around the edges if worn properly.

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The 95 in N95 refers to 95% of particulates filtered “filtration efficiency per the NIOSH CFR 84 Test.”
N100 masks will filter 99.97% of particulates (in the same test).

so an N95 mask does not seal well against your face... another problem is some N100 masks have a one-way valve that allows exhaled air to bypass the filter (so they don't protect others if the wearer is infected)

 

[DubiousDan]

Where I worked before I retired we had a yearly 'physical". As part of the physical they would have us put on a N95 mask. They would then put a hood over our heads. Then they would sprat a scented vapor into the hood. If you could smell the vapor you were not wearing the mask properly.

If you worked in an area where a N95 mask might be necessary, facial hair was not allowed because it would interfere with the seal and make the mask ineffective.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Surgical masks and N95 masks are different. N95 will filter out pathogens that are spread by droplet like one would expect to be present from a sneeze or cough.

This is a surgical mask it does not provide a proper seal to protect the wearer from pathogens and the material it is made from is not an effective filter.

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This is a N95 mask. It is designed to not allow for air flow around the edges if worn properly.

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Do they state both kinds, or just surgical masks in the paragraph I quoted?

And I know the difference, I had a case of Moldex 2300N95 respirators, but gave some away

 

[DubiousDan]

Do they state both kinds, or just surgical masks in the paragraph I quoted?

And I know the difference, I had a case of Moldex 2300N95 respirators, but gave some away

Just showing the difference between one that is designed to protect the wearer and one that is not. I've had a few people tell me that they have read on social media that the N95 will not protect the wearer.

Addendum:

I have no way of knowing what you know or don't know and what you know and don't know is not relevant in regards to my post. Comments I've heard elsewhere and from people I know show me that there are many people who don't know the difference between the two types of mask. When you say surgical masks they think it's they same as the N95s that they keep hearing about on TV. I'm sure there are people who read your message that don't know the difference either and I wanted to clarify because there is so much misinformation out there. No offense was intended.

 

[oldag]

I now know more about surgical masks than I ever did before (or wanted to?).

 

[Younggun]

Saw this pop up. How much longer till this happens here? It is a skynews vid about people organizing mass store robberies via social networking and the cash economy collapsing.




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I think it will be a while, unless you live in a “riot prone” area where people have a habit of looking for a reason.

Probably see more stolen shoes than bread.

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[TheDan]

I hope they do patrol the hell out of the inlets.

If we're all ok with this now, then we should keep it up after the pandemic panic subsides. Turn away anyone from a state with high rates of Marxism. After all, Marxism has killed way more people than this virus.

 

[DubiousDan]

The router is probably a VPN router to access their network.

Just an update. The router my son was given was set up so specific things were to be plugged into each port. There was a specific port for the lap top issued to him. A port for a guest computer. A port to use for the phone that was issued if it had an AC power adapter and one to use if the phone did not require an AC adapter. No clue if it is VPN or not.

 

[TheDan]

 

[majormadmax]

I remember that movie! Especially Cleese going "LEFT, no RIGHT, no LEFT..."

 

[majormadmax]

Saw this pop up. How much longer till this happens here? It is a skynews vid about people organizing mass store robberies via social networking and the cash economy collapsing.

I was just out grocery shopping at the Lackland AFB commissary late this morning. Except for cleaners and a few other items, I found everything I needed, and even scored toilet paper, paper towels, napkins, chicken breasts, ground beef, lunch meats and a couple other things we were getting low on. In fact, the store had an entire aisle full of toilet paper.

I hope that was a sign that the panic is subsiding. Some were wearing masks, some had rubber gloves on (including myself). I don't think the risk is high, but once you figure how many people have opened those freezer doors, it makes sense just to err on the side of caution.

Still, the "models" say it will get worse before it gets better. Last I read, the "peak" in San Antonio will hit the first week of May. I don't know how much faith I put in those predictions, but at least it gives us a timeline and some hope.

I am happy to see the majority of folks I know are keeping a positive attitude and doing the right thing as we fight through this. There is a lot of misinformation, hysteria and stress out there. We have to remember the lessons from those who survived even greater challenges during WWII, the right mindset is absolutely critical. I suspect there will be as much, if not more, medical issues from the psychological and emotion toll coronavirus has put on everyone as there will be from the actual virus itself!

Here's something else I hope lightens everyone's day. I am not saying we shouldn't take all this seriously, but we must remember to live life as well (at least the best we can!). Never let the threat of death prevent you from living! No matter what you do, it's inevitable so enjoy what time you have!

 

[toddnjoyce]

Took a little longer than expected.

 

[Texasgordo]

 

[TheDan]

Gov. Greg Abbott issues essential services-only order until April 30
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/h...h-31/269-60d7a3c2-89fc-4ced-8655-bde36f08cd9f

 

[gdr_11]

At the risk of contradicting too many of our esteemed experts, let me share from 25 years of working in infectious disease control in healthcare, educational and lab research facilities. No medical, scientific, media or political background, just practical in field experience helping hospitals and school facilities deal with infectious outbreaks of bacterial and viral nosocomial infections.

The experience I have, in conjunction with working alongside some of the best microbiologists in the field of infectious control, is that viral diseases spread by three primary methods that account for 99% of all infections:

1. Personal contact - handshake, hug, kiss or extremely close proximity (elevator, group photo, etc)

2. Transfer via environmental surface contaminated with human soiling agent (fecal material, saliva, etc.). Touch screens, atm pads, push plates, door handles, etc. 90% of these surfaces in any public place will test positive for e coli which is related to fecal material because people don’t wash their hands.

3. Other environmental surfaces such as counters, desk tops, chairs, etc. Viruses may live on these surfaces for one hour to two days depending on light, temperature and humidity but they are only viable for transmission for a much shorter time. The likelihood of contracting a viral disease from a surface that was touched more than 30 minutes ago is slim unless the contact included heavy body oil, perspiration or trace fecal material.

Airborne transmission is minimal because particles do not remain suspended very long. The exception is if you are dealing with folks who are sick already rather than just carriers who are not ill but just moving the virus from one place to another. Sick people cough and sneeze viruses; carriers deposit them through touch. This is why masks are far more important for health care professionals than grocery store shoppers.

Nothing is 100%, but I see this never ending stream of “expert” opinions being spewed by the media with an emphasis on stirring up as much fear as possible.

On the flip side, there is not enough emphasis on the proper way to wash hands and to disinfect surfaces. A 10 second hand wash or a quick wipe with a disinfectant towelette will not kill or remove 100% of the bacterial and viral agents. Its a lot like spraying pesticide for insects, the procedure is more important than the product. Hand washing should be for a full minute with soap and very warm or hot water. The EPA registers disinfectant products by testing at 70 degrees and allowing a full 10 minute contact time. Anything outside of these parameters is not a guarantee of 100% kill. So, everyone who is using hand sanitizer as a substitute for hand washing is getting a false sense of security as are those who use a lysol wipe unless the leave the surface wet for 10 minutes.

Reality is a lot less sensational than media driven opinions and conjecture, but understanding how this thing moves among the general population helps in protecting yourself. Just like bad drivers on the freeway, your biggest enemies are your fellow humans who refuse to practice good hygiene. That is why the social distancing works, but at a tremendous economic cost that is probably out if proportion to the benefits.