Parler To Go Off-Line In A Few Hours As Big Tech Continues Its Assault On 1A

[CyberWolf]

...I was trying to get worked up about the AWS plan to shut it all down. But, actually, I think it is a good thing. For one, they now join the ranks of Twitter as publishers and when the Section 230 protections go away, it hits them, too. Also, it WILL affect their business model. Who wants to sign on with them, knowing that if they take a dislike to your business model you can be axed in a matter of hours? I believe it may scare many away, even if they are woke leftists. It's creepy.

^this reinforces what I was getting at previously...

The hosting issue is simply one of money and resources - e.g. with sufficient funding, clarity of purpose, and skilled resources, it's possible to set up a new distributed cloud/hosting infrastructure & operations, with massive capacity & resiliency, from scratch, much faster than most would believe. I've done it before for clients (truly from scratch - i.e. empty buildings with no power/hvac/uplink/telecom preexisting), so this is not a matter of speculation...

And, with the shenanigans going on, the market disruption is likely sufficient to allow a new player to thrive. (I might consider building something myself right now if sufficient funding to achieve the required business velocity wasn't an issue.)

 

[Dougw1515]

^this reinforces what I was getting at previously...

The hosting issue is simply one of money and resources - e.g. with sufficient funding, clarity of purpose, and skilled resources, it's possible to set up a new distributed cloud/hosting infrastructure & operations, with massive capacity & resiliency, from scratch, much faster than most would believe. I've done it before for clients (truly from scratch - i.e. empty buildings with no power/hvac/uplink/telecom preexisting), so this is not a matter of speculation...

And, with the shenanigans going on, the market disruption is likely sufficient to allow a new player to thrive. (I might consider building something myself right now if sufficient funding to achieve the required business velocity wasn't an issue.)

And if all traces of your efforts never make it to a DNS listing? Then the solution is? Plant telephone poles? Build Cell Towers. launch satellites to in effect construct a parallel InterWeb?

 

[studenygreg]

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[Younggun]

It isn't a matter of starting a riot. This is the only viable way to connect with the sheep for those of us who are inclined toward tech (which I am not). Without this, as Far as the sheep are concerned there is only one side of the story--that of Zuckerberg at alia. Put in a different way, this may be our only third alternative other than capitulating or using bullets.

There are no sheep on parlor.


Well, there are. There are the right wing sheep who believe every single thing that comes from Qanon. But not the ones I think you are talking about.



Still, the issue that is coming is the inability to exchange certain ideas in a public space.

The entire premise of FB, Twitter, etc is that they would not be liable for what was posted on their platforms because they would not be curating them. It was to be considered the same as the comment section on a news article which is what Sec 230 was intended to protect.


They no longer fit that category, yet they still enjoy the protections. As Twitter/etc function now they would be susceptible to massive liabilities and unable to maintain their hold if they weren’t still enjoying the protections that should no longer apply with their current activities.


That is the issue. It’s not so much about private businesses being able to choose. It’s about getting protections that stem from considerations made for public utilities such as the phone company being extended to online activities of a similar nature. But these social media sites are no longer acting in line with those principles.


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[CyberWolf]

And if all traces of your efforts never make it to a DNS listing? Then the solution is? Plant telephone poles? Build Cell Towers. launch satellites to in effect construct a parallel InterWeb?

Not a significant issue, IMO...

Multiple ways that both Addressing and Name Resolution can be addressed in ways that the only way to reliably take it offline would be to bring down the entire public internet.

ETA: since IP Addressing and connectivity is the other side of the coin with DNS (name resolution - e.g. resolving an IP address from a fully qualified domain name), figured that I touch on that as well to mention that part of this is the concept of multi-homed connectivity and routing - addressed primarily through diversity of physical plant/RF backhaul, and eBGP multihoming w/ route distribution and AS path optimization; goal is "compound redundancy and failover". (have done this also, personally)

 

[Dougw1515]

ex-Senior Network Engineer - my credentials. If you're packets are dropped you ain't communicating. If your packets ain't routed - you ain't communicating. The server, any server, has an IP address - once that address is known for what it is. Filtering will prevent routing of messages.

If you're referring to an end-user app to assist then deployment of app becomes problematic. If you're talking VPN same thing. End-user must become part of the solution and deploying that on a massive scale to untrained users... good luck.

 

[Txhillbilly]

<sigh> y'all just don't get it do you.

What is there to get? A lot of people don't use Social Media to talk to people.
I still use a telephone, I don't text and rarely ever email anyone.
Technology has ruined the younger generations, you just can't function without it.

 

[Dougw1515]

What is there to get? A lot of people don't use Social Media to talk to people.
I still use a telephone, I don't text and rarely ever email anyone.
Technology has ruined the younger generations, you just can't function without it.

What you don't get is - It's not so much about "what" is being taken but the fact that it "IS" being taken. No resistance here. Trust me... when it comes time for the tattoo(in todays world that will be an enbedded GPS chip) they will not even ask where you want it or what color you like!

We already accept that technology for pets. Ready to accept it for newborn baby's? Will you even know when it's done? Will you even care? Just don't have children could be your solution.

 

[CyberWolf]

If your packets ain't routed - you ain't communicating.

^Yup, correct.

The server, any server, has an IP address - once that address is known for what it is. Filtering will prevent routing of messages.

^close. Lots of stuff here, but for example, DNS TTLs can be set very low, DNS load balancing and fluxing can be employed, multiple redundant AS pathing can bypass filtering ISPs, etc., etc....

If you're referring to an end-user app to assist then deployment of app becomes problematic. If you're talking VPN same thing. End-user must become part of the solution and deploying that on a massive scale to untrained users... good luck.

^nope

Also, I added a bit to my last post on this (prob should have just made a new one)

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

To take a page from the playbook of the Left - use their own rules against them. The Left uses different social media to plan, gather, and execute their activities. As much as I dislike social media, I think it is time to learn how they do it and be prepared to use it ourselves.

Of course this raises the question of how much did the technocrats know about the riots and what they could have done to prevent them?

 

[toddnjoyce]

It shouldn't be too hard for Parler to find another host.

I would think that for $300,000 a month they can setup their own servers in their own secure location.

Content hosting isn’t the issue. If Apple and Google don’t approve the app to be used on their OS, all that’s left is web access.

Chrome is a G product and Safari is an A product, so it’s pretty easy for two of the largest browsers to deny access to the url if desired.

 

[Txhillbilly]

What you don't get is - It's not so much about "what" is being taken but the fact that it "IS" being taken. No resistance here. Trust me... when it comes time for the tattoo(in todays world that will be an enbedded GPS chip) they will not even ask where you want it or what color you like!

We already accept that technology for pets. Ready to accept it for newborn baby's? Will you even know when it's done? Will you even care? Just don't have children could be your solution.

I think you've been watching too many movies. I'll just keep on living my simple country life, and leave all the high tech crap for you city folk to worry about.

I don't have any pets nor children, so I guess they will have to tag me while I'm getting gas or groceries, because that's about the only time I leave the house.

 

[CyberWolf]

Content hosting isn’t the issue. If Apple and Google don’t approve the app to be used on their OS, all that’s left is web access.

Chrome is a G product and Safari is an A product, so it’s pretty easy for two of the largest browsers to deny access to the url if desired.

True; however, this also can be viewed as a greenfield opportunity area right now.

For example, mobile-first web design can shrink/remove the gap in experience quality and make iOS/Android 'apps' irrelevant and unnecessary...

Also, might be time for some new players to make waves in the web browser game. For example, Gab has recently released a new privacy-oriented web browser called the "Dissenter" browser, with this very concept in mind:

The Dissenter browser with built-in censorship-proof Dissenter comments and ad blocking is a fast, fun way to promote free speech online

Gab, the free speech software company behind the Dissenter browser, say it will “put free speech and users first.”

reclaimthenet.org

 

[sidebite252]

What you don't get is - It's not so much about "what" is being taken but the fact that it "IS" being taken. No resistance here. Trust me... when it comes time for the tattoo(in todays world that will be an enbedded GPS chip) they will not even ask where you want it or what color you like!

We already accept that technology for pets. Ready to accept it for newborn baby's? Will you even know when it's done? Will you even care? Just don't have children could be your solution.

GPS chips in babies? Do you actually believe that or are you trying to be funny or sarcastic?

 

[Dougw1515]

I think you've been watching too many movies. I'll just keep on living my simple country life, and leave all the high tech crap for you city folk to worry about.

I don't have any pets nor children, so I guess they will have to tag me while I'm getting gas or groceries, because that's about the only time I leave the house.

LOL.... Heard that when I mentioned to loss of free speech too. Don't worry I believe there's enough folks that truly care what becomes of this nation that won't stick their head in the sand while this country turns to shit. I won't like taking care of you while you do nothing but it'll be just one of your side-benefits while I and others like me attempt to protect the country we have had.

 

[Dougw1515]

GPS chips in babies? Do you actually believe that or are you trying to be funny or sarcastic?

I believe it is extremely possible. And while they were tattooing the Jews in Germany don't you suspect your very question was uttered at one time?

 

[G O B]

NEVER under estimate what can happen.
If they can "elect" Biden, who is a buffoon and a 2 time looser (was a laughing stock) Presidential candidate, there is little they cannot perpetrate upon us.

 

[sidebite252]

I believe it is extremely possible. And while they were tattooing the Jews in Germany don't you suspect your very question was uttered at one time?

Nothing I’ve ever seen or heard would give me any reason to believe the US government is near the point of chipping babies with GPS trackers.

But then again, I also don’t believe that a cabal of Satan-worshipping cannibalistic pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against US president Donald Trump, who is fighting the cabal.

But it seems there are some that do

 

[jordanmills]

When they don't have the conservative boogiemen to go after anymore, they will turn on each other. As an example, look at how nasty the Democrat primaries get.

There will be a lot of surprised "centrist" Democrats that won't know what the hell hit them when the leftist darling AOC goes for their throats next. Fek 'em.

A lot of them are already there.

 

[Dougw1515]

Nothing I’ve ever seen or heard would give me any reason to believe the US government is near the point of chipping babies with GPS trackers.

But then again, I also don’t believe that a cabal of Satan-worshipping cannibalistic pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against US president Donald Trump, who is fighting the cabal.

But it seems there are some that do

Perhaps, with enough effort from enough folks, it will never happen. I sincerely hope you are correct and I end up looking like a crazy person. Well more so than I already do.

ETA: So what is the next step after deploying cameras with facial recognition capabilities? First you want to know where they are. Then you want to know what they're doing. Then you want to control both. Sorry.... that's the way it works. Cameras/facial recognition is for our own well being you know. That way "they" can spot the bad guys. Well that technology is expensive and slow to deploy and old technology to boot. It's thwarted easily by simple methods.