I haven't paid much attention to CC. I hounded my legislatures to get on board but haven't read it all.
Will 30.05 signage also apply to LTC holders or do establishments still have to use 30.06 and 30.07 for LTC holders?
No to which part of my question?
No to which part of my question?
No to which part of my question?
I spoke to Texas Law Shield attorney today and here is the kicker. See where it says "may provide", that means they can do just a gun buster. It should say "shall provide" but it doesn't. Therefore, according to Texas Law Shield attorney a gunbuster sign will keep a permitless (but not a LTC) carrier out. Sucks.Here’s the language:
SECTION 17. Section 30.05, Penal Code, is amended by adding
Subsections (c) and (d-3) and amending Subsections (d) and (f) to read as follows:
(c) A person may provide notice that firearms are prohibited on the property by posting a sign at each entrance to the property that:
(1) includes language that is identical to or substantially similar to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.05, Penal Code (criminal trespass), a person may not enter this property with a firearm";
(2) includes the language described by Subdivision (1)in both English and Spanish;
(3) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(4) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
That, to me, does not include any old gun buster sign, which while may provide notice, doesn’t seem to me to provide effective notice per the law.
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I spoke to Texas Law Shield attorney today and here is the kicker. See where it says "may provide", that means they can do just a gun buster. It should say "shall provide" but it doesn't. Therefore, according to Texas Law Shield attorney a gunbuster sign will keep a permitless (but not a LTC) carrier out. Sucks.
I spoke to Texas Law Shield attorney today and here is the kicker. See where it says "may provide", that means they can do just a gun buster. It should say "shall provide" but it doesn't. Therefore, according to Texas Law Shield attorney a gunbuster sign will keep a permitless (but not a LTC) carrier out. Sucks.
Thanks also from me for posting that. I suppose I haven't really paid much attention to the 30.05 stuff since I've got my LTC, but the info on 46.03 was very informative. I was also surprised to see the airport "oopsie" forgiveness on page 21. Good info!
If you have common sense, the constitution shouldn't be that hard to figure out.I absolutely despise whenever anyone tries to interject "common sense" into a discussion of Law. We don't all share the same identical "common sense" !
leVieux
If you have common sense, the constitution shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
The "common sense" doesn't bother me as much as many consider "gun control", or "assault weapon" for that matter.Just an ability to read and comprehend. I love the Constitution ! It is the term "common sense" which I don't like !
leVieux
I figured that was their take on it. Subsequently in the amended subsection (d-3) which outlines punishments, states notice includes oral or written communication.
Notice is also defined in 30.05 as oral or written communication. Legally, that means spoken or written word, which is why I disagree with their assessment that this
Meets the standard of the law.
Now, include any words that reasonably convey entry with a handgun or firearm is not allowed, then I would agree due to the cavern of gray area written into the revised 30.05.
I would also argue that the sign above, with No Handguns, does not convey the same thing as No Firearms.
The 30.05 changes are a mess, to be sure.
The "common sense" doesn't bother me as much as many consider "gun control", or "assault weapon" for that matter.
- 51% - Bans everyone from carrying a firearm, openly or concealed, in an establishment where more than half of their revenue is earned from alcohol sales. If this sign is missing, LTC holders may carry on the premises but CC may not.