Covid Vaccine Issues

[pronstar]

Didn’t Fauci’s emails admit that asymptomatic spreading was a myth?


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[ZX9RCAM]

mRNA vaccination, which enhances only b-cell antibody immunity, drives viral mutability, especially of the Spike protein, creating new strains that may infect the vaccinated and make them asymptomatic super spreaders of the new more infectious variants.
"SARS-CoV-2 Vaccines and the Growing Threat of Viral Variants | Vaccination | JAMA | JAMA Network" https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776039

This sounds like they are creating more strains by vaccinating people.
It'll be never ending....

 

[rotor]

mRNA vaccination, which enhances only b-cell antibody immunity, drives viral mutability, especially of the Spike protein, creating new strains that may infect the vaccinated and make them asymptomatic super spreaders of the new more infectious variants.
"SARS-CoV-2 Vaccines and the Growing Threat of Viral Variants | Vaccination | JAMA | JAMA Network" https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776039

Interesting hypothesis but then if everyone was vaccinated and the worst that could happen is that you would be an asymptomatic super spreader who would you spread to? This is sounding like a reason to push for universal vaccination. What am I missing?

 

[oldag]

My 4 million figure is not mine but google results and may or may not be valid. Where are your results?
Do you want the vaccines recalled at this point or not? You are mute on this.

Then you bring up the true phony arguments, lawyer "did you use Roundup-Paraquat-Talcum powder" etc. to boost a claim.
Agent orange, asbestos- yes. Bad stuff.

So, should the vaccine be recalled for 2-5 years to see if there are side effects in the 1/2 of the population vaccinated? Is that your proposal? Or should those who want to take it knowing that there may be risks unknown today be allowed to take it. The my body-my choice option.

The vaccine should not be pushed on people and the fact that long term effects are completely unknown should be emphasized.

If you want to take it, fine. But do not pressure others to do so. And quit saying because X million have taken it means it safe. Neither you nor anyone else can know that since it has only been in use for a matter of months.

The point behind the agent orange and asbestos you totally ignore. Today, the experts says the vaccine is safe. Years ago, the experts said asbestos was safe. Ditto for agent orange. Turned out there were bad long term effects that did not show up in the first months of exposure.

You mentioned Roundup and paraquat. Not me. The talcum powder did contain hazardous substances.

 

[gll]

Interesting hypothesis but then if everyone was vaccinated and the worst that could happen is that you would be an asymptomatic super spreader who would you spread to? This is sounding like a reason to push for universal vaccination. What am I missing?

You keep missing the toxicity of the spike protein and it's deleterious effects on organs and the circulatory system.

When the virus infects, it replicates and incorporates spike proteins into new complete virus particles. The mRNA vaccines induce production of spike proteins that incorporate into human cell membranes that are then recognized as foreign..

The better way to address this virus is propylaxis or early treatment to prevent, or limit, infection and the production of spike proteins or of antibodies to spike proteins.

Infection, with treatment, is preferable to vaccination, vaccination being the obvious goal of the plandemic.

 

[easy rider]

I'm not as concerned with what the government is telling me as I am what they're not telling me.

 

[rotor]

You keep missing the toxicity of the spike protein and it's deleterious effects on organs and the circulatory system.

When the virus infects, it replicates and incorporates spike proteins into new complete virus particles. The mRNA vaccines induce production of spike proteins that incorporate into human cell membranes that are then recognized as foreign..

The better way to address this virus is propylaxis or early treatment to prevent, or limit, infection and the production of spike proteins or of antibodies to spike proteins.

Infection, with treatment, is preferable to vaccination, vaccination being the obvious goal of the plandemic.

Let's assume that the spike protein production by the vaccine has deleterious effects. Where are the numbers with 350,000,000 U.S. vaccines given? Where are all of the side effects?
What method of prophylaxis do you propose? What early treatment? Ivermectin?

I think that people that want the vaccine can get it and people that don't want it can refuse it. Yours is the first posting that I have seen that argues that vaccinated people pose a threat to those that refuse it. Interesting dilemma and time will tell. I don't have an answer to this. I haven't seen any literature that suggests my getting the vaccine puts unvaccinated people at risk.

 

[Brains]

So there's a drug that was and still is deemed "perfectly safe", developed in the 50's and was originally even offered over the counter. Still prescribed today. This particular drug took years to realize it had very severe side effects, and was even pulled from the market for a time to fully understand what was going on. People remember this drug, and I bet more than one of y'all is nodding their head knowing exactly which one I'm thinking of.

That's where we are with the CoVax. Rushed, not fully tested, and pushed as another miracle solution to a seemingly relatively small problem if you boil it down. It really should be pretty obvious why people are saying they're ok waiting to see how it plays out. But then we have the influencers, governmental entities, and billionaires doing everything in their power to convince, coerce, bribe, even threaten people to get the shot. Well that will have thinking people questioning whether there's something "else" going on. Most of us would agree that nothing is free, so the CoVax being "zero cost to you" (ha!) or even putting some kind of product or cash in your pocket to take it raises an eyebrow.

Those who push the vaccine are quick to say it's safe, point to numbers, etc. but there is no way you can really know yet. We are too early into this trial. If you feel good about it, and you feel you made the right choice, and it turns out to be exactly as we're being told it is? Great! We all want this to be the new wonder of medicine. Heck there's a chance this tech puts us on the road to beating cancer. We're just not there yet. So trying to convince others they need to make the same choice you made, based on information you fully believe but can't yet prove, is too much. Have enough respect for people and their choices.

 

[gll]

Let's assume that the spike protein production by the vaccine has deleterious effects. Where are the numbers with 350,000,000 U.S. vaccines given? Where are all of the side effects?
What method of prophylaxis do you propose? What early treatment? Ivermectin?

I think that people that want the vaccine can get it and people that don't want it can refuse it. Yours is the first posting that I have seen that argues that vaccinated people pose a threat to those that refuse it. Interesting dilemma and time will tell. I don't have an answer to this. I haven't seen any literature that suggests my getting the vaccine puts unvaccinated people at risk.

Did you read the JAMA article I posted?

Proplylaxis could include Vit D, Selenium, zinc, n-acetyl cysteine (NAC), Sambucol (elderberry extract), etc., and ivermectin. Treatment could include inhalation steroids, ivermectin, and hydroxychloroquine, and antibiotics like doxycycline and azithromycin.

Not nearly enough research is being directed toward treatments, because the obvious goal of the plandemic is vaccination.

 

[rotor]

Did you read the JAMA article I posted?

Proplylaxis could include Vit D, Selenium, zinc, n-acetyl cysteine (NAC), Sambucol (elderberry extract), etc., and ivermectin. Treatment could include inhalation steroids, ivermectin, and hydroxychloroquine, and antibiotics like doxycycline and azithromycin.

Not nearly enough research is being directed toward treatments, because the obvious goal of the plandemic is vaccination.

I did read it. I didn't find anywhere is the article that there was a suggestion that people not be vaccinated, did you find that?

 

[gll]

I did read it. I didn't find anywhere is the article that there was a suggestion that people not be vaccinated, did you find that?

Nope, all I ever hear from my betters is how everyone should be vaccinated... You hear any different?

 

[rotor]

Nope, all I ever hear from above is how everyone should be vaccinated... You hear any different?

I prefer the choice that you can decide for yourself if you want the vaccine or not. I might feel different if I thought that my getting the vaccine actually hurt someone else. I had never seen a suggestion before that people getting vaccinated put others at risk. My feeling was that if there was a risk to me than I could decide for myself to take it or not. I have not seen proof that my taking the vaccine puts even immuno-compromised people at risk.

 

[Jarine88]

Why have we not seen nor heard of the VAERS data base and it's findings on the msm?

Anyone?

I wouldn’t know, as I would have to listen to or read MSM to know they are not talking about it.

 

[easy rider]

Let's assume that the spike protein production by the vaccine has deleterious effects. Where are the numbers with 350,000,000 U.S. vaccines given? Where are all of the side effects?
What method of prophylaxis do you propose? What early treatment? Ivermectin?

First off, you are using CDC talking points that aren't completely correct. I believe that there is only three vaccines under EUA in the U.S., and two of those vaccines (which are used most often) require two shots, so 350 million is not the number of people.

There are many doctors using ivermectin as a prophylaxis, which in my opinion sounds very good, but there are also several other repurposed drugs. All of them are being suppressed, because if you find a repurposed drug that can remedy an outbreak, then there isn't an emergency to use a drug that is for emergency use only.

 

[gll]

I prefer the choice that you can decide for yourself if you want the vaccine or not. I might feel different if I thought that my getting the vaccine actually hurt someone else. I had never seen a suggestion before that people getting vaccinated put others at risk. My feeling was that if there was a risk to me than I could decide for myself to take it or not. I have not seen proof that my taking the vaccine puts even immuno-compromised people at risk.

Like I said, I can deal with any risk you put me under by being vaccinated... like I can deal with the threat of the flu, by living a relatively isolated lifestyle and improving my immunity by diet and supplementation. If I believe I have been exposed, or suspect I am infected, I will find treatment.

As much as I don't want vaccination, I also don't want Covid. I do believe it is a real disease, but all the circumstances of it's appearance, spread, and the rush to vaccination are suspect to me, so I will do my best to avoid both infection and vaccination.

Currently, about 10% of the U.S. population have been infected, I can live with those odds... especially given my circumstances.

 

[easy rider]

Like I said, I can deal with any risk you put me under by being vaccinated... like I can deal with the threat of the flu, by living a relatively isolated lifestyle and improving my immunity by diet and supplementation. If I believe I have been exposed, or suspect I am infected, I will find treatment.

As much as I don't want vaccination, I also don't want Covid. I do believe it is a real disease, but all the circumstances of it's appearance, spread, and the rush to vaccination are suspect to me, so I will do my best to avoid both infection and vaccination.

Currently, about 10% of the U.S. population have been infected, I can live with those odds... especially given my circumstances.

Agree, My GF often points out the fact that I work in a petri dish. I often take Airborne or Emergen-C, lately I'm also occasionally taking Zinc with Quercetin. I do believe I have also, early on in the "pandemic", have gotten SARS-CoV2, so I also have built up an immunity. I have also been given an incentive several months ago to be jabbed ($100), but something in the back of my mind told that this is wrong.

That's when I started investigating, I wanted to know "why the sudden push". I found that this so called vaccine is nothing like past vaccines. My hesitancy, slowly at first, turned to flat out "over my dead body". When you find that the inventor of mRNA, The former Vice President and lead scientist of Pfizer, and many renowned doctors and scientists all saying don't get the jab, that tends to raise my suspicion that something ain't right. So am I supposed to believe Fauci, whom I have had questions about when he was Trump's lead doctor, The CDC and WHO, whom both went along with the narrative out of China, or a great number of doctors and scientists that contradict the narrative?

 

[Tex62]

Let's assume that the spike protein production by the vaccine has deleterious effects. Where are the numbers with 350,000,000 U.S. vaccines given? Where are all of the side effects?
What method of prophylaxis do you propose? What early treatment? Ivermectin?

I think that people that want the vaccine can get it and people that don't want it can refuse it. Yours is the first posting that I have seen that argues that vaccinated people pose a threat to those that refuse it. Interesting dilemma and time will tell. I don't have an answer to this. I haven't seen any literature that suggests my getting the vaccine puts unvaccinated people at risk.

I know folks with side effects. Also VAERS list over 400,000.

Open ones eyes.


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[rotor]

You keep missing the toxicity of the spike protein and it's deleterious effects on organs and the circulatory system.

When the virus infects, it replicates and incorporates spike proteins into new complete virus particles. The mRNA vaccines induce production of spike proteins that incorporate into human cell membranes that are then recognized as foreign..

The better way to address this virus is propylaxis or early treatment to prevent, or limit, infection and the production of spike proteins or of antibodies to spike proteins.

Infection, with treatment, is preferable to vaccination, vaccination being the obvious goal of the plandemic.

I know folks with side effects. Also VAERS list over 400,000.

Open ones eyes.


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In my county 341 Covid deaths (at least that's what health department says), one was fully vaccinated. If that's true it is an eye opener.

 

[kbaxter60]

Meanwhile...

COVID deaths in no-lockdown Sweden hit ZERO

Last year, London's Guardian newspaper called Sweden's laissez-faire approach to the coronavirus pandemic – generally allowing the coronavirus to run its course while the population reaches herd immunity – a "catastrophe" in the making, while CBS News said the Scandinavian nation had become "an...

www.wnd.com

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

I know folks with side effects. Also VAERS list over 400,000.

Open ones eyes.


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Great point. I know folks with side effects too......bad ones....who were healthy as a racehorse prior. Just confirms my hesitancy.

I'm sort of amazed at how many people were falling all over themselves to take something that was not approved and rushed through.....essentially experimental. No, thanks. But I also know the power brokers have been taking copious notes.