Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[Double Naught Spy]

All I can say is, the failures of the police, in this instance, certainly doesn't give confidence to the narrative 'you don't need a gun, just call the police'.

This isn't an isolated incident, but it is awfully bad.

There are some outstanding cops and then there are the pathetic cops. The trouble is, you don't know which you will get in a crisis.

 

[seeker_two]

All I can say is, the failures of the police, in this instance, certainly doesn't give confidence to the narrative 'you don't need a gun, just call the police'.

Another reason for Thursday's SCOTUS decision.....

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[toddnjoyce]

All I can say is, the failures of the police, in this instance, certainly doesn't give confidence to the narrative 'you don't need a gun, just call the police'.

The failure starts with the ISD and the school administration not maintaining or verifying physical security measures such as working locks in the school.

And let’s not forget about all the see something/say something failures in reported information about the POS.

Not to mention the grandfather who, as an ex con, chose to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.

I’m honestly not surprised at the command failure and I won’t be too terribly surprised at anything that comes out the myriad of investigations.

 

[oldag]

The failure starts with the ISD and the school administration not maintaining or verifying physical security measures such as working locks in the school.

And let’s not forget about all the see something/say something failures in reported information about the POS.

Not to mention the grandfather who, as an ex con, chose to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.

I’m honestly not surprised at the command failure and I won’t be too terribly surprised at anything that comes out the myriad of investigations.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[easy rider]

The failure starts with the ISD and the school administration not maintaining or verifying physical security measures such as working locks in the school.

And let’s not forget about all the see something/say something failures in reported information about the POS.

Not to mention the grandfather who, as an ex con, chose to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.

I’m honestly not surprised at the command failure and I won’t be too terribly surprised at anything that comes out the myriad of investigations.

I've had several uncles that were cops, hell in the 80's I was seriously thinking about contacting my uncle in Seattle for help in becoming one. My welding career wasn't going as I planned in the early 80's.

My uncle, in Seattle, could be a dick at times, but I just couldn't see him standing around while children were being killed. He was very proactive. There comes a point for many when you say "command be damned", and then take matters on your own. While I'm sure there are still some police out there with some grit, I wasn't seeing a whole lot of it in Uvalde. In fact, that's probably a dying breed in today's policing.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I've had several uncles that were cops, hell in the 80's I was seriously thinking about contacting my uncle in Seattle for help in becoming one. My welding career wasn't going as I planned in the early 80's.

My uncle, in Seattle, could be a dick at times, but I just couldn't see him standing around while children were being killed. He was very proactive. There comes a point for many when you say "command be damned", and then take matters on your own. While I'm sure there are still some police out there with some grit, I wasn't seeing a whole lot of it in Uvalde. In fact, that's probably a dying breed in today's policing.

You’re not wrong in feeling that way. Uvalde is a systemic indictment.

 

[Axxe55]

You’re not wrong in feeling that way. Uvalde is a systemic indictment.

I see it as total failure of grown men not going in, regardless of what orders were given to stand down or to wait. Can't recall the exact number of men that were in the hallway outside the classrooms, but not one of them broke ranks and said, "Screw it, I'm going in!" But we know that never happened.

I have never thought of myself a brave person, but I have never been a coward either. But there would have been no way I could have lived with myself in not trying to do something that day.

 

[motorcarman]

Those kids must have felt like the attack on U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi.(surely help is on the way?)

The gov't wouldn't let us down.

 

[Axxe55]

Those kids must have felt like the attack on U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi.(surely help is on the way?)

The gov't wouldn't let us down.

Imagine the little girl on her phone with 911, possibly praying and hoping that help was on the way. And yet, help was right outside in the hallway and did nothing.

This should anger everyone. I know it makes me angry.

 

[easy rider]

I see it as total failure of grown men not going in, regardless of what orders were given to stand down or to wait. Can't recall the exact number of men that were in the hallway outside the classrooms, but not one of them broke ranks and said, "Screw it, I'm going in!" But we know that never happened.

I have never thought of myself a brave person, but I have never been a coward either. But there would have been no way I could have lived with myself in not trying to do something that day.

I don't think it has much to do with bravery, that's something that's said afterwards. Instinct is being bred out of people today. Bravery didn't tell those on a sinking ship that the more vulnerable were put into a lifeboat first.

 

[Axxe55]

I don't think it has much to do with bravery, that's something that's said afterwards. Instinct is being bred out of people today. Bravery didn't tell those on a sinking ship that the more vulnerable were put into a lifeboat first.

You may be correct, that instincts are being bred out of people. Or maybe indoctrination of being manipulated into cowardly wusses.

 

[easy rider]

You may be correct, that instincts are being bred out of people. Or maybe indoctrination of being manipulated into cowardly wusses.

Instinct in the form of compassion.

 

[Axxe55]

Instinct in the form of compassion.

I guess my instincts in the form of compassion are much different that their's was that day.

 

[easy rider]

I guess my instincts in the form of compassion are much different that their's was that day.

Take the case of Sergeant York, was it bravery that told him to go against odds to charge a machine gun nest, or the fact that the machine guns were mowing down his friends and fellow soldiers and something snapped in him? Certainly I can look at it now and say that was a brave thing to do.

 

[Axxe55]

Take the case of Sergeant York, was it bravery that told him to go against odds to charge a machine gun nest, or the fact that the machine guns were mowing down his friends and fellow soldiers and something snapped in him? Certainly I can look at it now and say that was a brave thing to do.

I can agree with that. Being afraid is part of being human. Just part of our instincts for self-preservation. But some people just overcome being afraid and do what needs to be done, regardless of the final outcome. Sergeant York could just as easily died that day, and we would still consider his actions as bravery.

 

[easy rider]

I can agree with that. Being afraid is part of being human. Just part of our instincts for self-preservation. But some people just overcome being afraid and do what needs to be done, regardless of the final outcome. Sergeant York could just as easily died that day, and we would still consider his actions as bravery.

And had he been killed, some may have said, that was a stupid thing to do. I don't believe he was thinking about being brave. His instinctive compassion overrode his instinct of preservation.

 

[oldag]

Bravery does not mean there is no fear. Bravery means mastering that fear so that fear does not stop one from doing what must be done.

 

[easy rider]

Bravery does not mean there is no fear. Bravery means mastering that fear so that fear does not stop one from doing what must be done.

Well, you can make a case that everyone on a battlefield is brave to be there. And there are some that are braver than others, but is that what drives a person to go against odds? One can certainly say that fear, at times, can be the driving force. The one that gets angry when someone they care for is threatened, wounded or killed and decides to do something about it, is that bravery or compassion?

 

[Big Dipper]

I don't think it has much to do with bravery, that's something that's said afterwards. Instinct is being bred out of people today. Bravery didn't tell those on a sinking ship that the more vulnerable were put into a lifeboat first.

I would argue that in our not too distant past, thinking about the greatest generation, people were more selfless and did what was good for the community.

Whereas now we have multiple ”me” generations that are far more concerned about themselves and only care about the community regarding what it can do for them.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Well, you can make a case that everyone on a battlefield is brave to be there.

No, there’s plenty there not by choice. Bravery has nothing to do with it.