You are correct, people say it, but they can’t back up their emotional opinion with objective data or an objective way to evaluate different glass in a meaningful manner. Additionally, they get really hostile and defensive when you bring this up.Absolutely love mine. People saying this companies glass vs this ones is better must have much better eyesight than me.
I don’t care about the glass as much as I do about reliability. Too many people seem to know way too much about the vip warranty. I had a couple razor LHT scopes and they seemed ok but I did have to use the warranty.You are correct, people say it, but they can’t back up their emotional opinion with objective data or an objective way to evaluate different glass in a meaningful manner. Additionally, they get really hostile and defensive when you bring this up.
You are correct, people say it, but they can’t back up their emotional opinion with objective data or an objective way to evaluate different glass in a meaningful manner. Additionally, they get really hostile and defensive when you bring this up.
I was the guy asking if there were objective standards, not the guy looking down on people for having subjective standards. Also, you made my point for me.Is there an objective way to judge glass? I don't think so. If you know of an objective way to judge clarity please educate us.
For me the glass is very clear where both the subject being looked at and also the reticle is extremely clear. Some scopes (even expensive ones) are not always clear, even after adjustment on the scope. The same manufacturer can have different levels of clear on different scopes. You have to look through a few different scopes of the same general type to find the one that you feel has the best clarity. Its a comparitive / relative thing.
I think you are asking for an impossibility. Clear is subjective, and acceptability is based on what makes the user happy. I am not a brand whore. Names mean very little to me. The vision offered by a scope is paramount to me. After having bought a couple dozen different scopes over the years, the view is everything. The brand carries some weight, but I am not brand loyal. Everyone's eyes are different. Its not like you can use a pressure device to test steel strength. Eyesight varies by person.
Thats why I went to Cabelas and looked at 8 or 9 different scopes when I needed a long range scope. I did not look at Nightforce, Zeiss or Swarovski due to price. I would not be able to afford either. I know how to adjust a scope for a clear view. But even after that adjustment, some glass was just "clearer" than others. I was kind of shocked that the Cabaelas Covenant 7 scopes I looked through had nearly the same clarity as Vortex and the Nikon Black1000. But I bought the Nikon at appx $1K. For the long range scopes I looked at, Nikon and Vortex had pretty much equal clarity. But I preferred the reticle on the Nikon so I bought it. They were within $100 of each other in price. So 7 or 8 other scopes that were fairly comprable in price and application had sub-par clarity to those two.
However, I did go back and buy the Covenant 7 for a different gun at $350. And after using both I am still surprised at how close they are in clarity. The Nikon Black1000 has a bit better zoom, but its also a slightly bigger scope.
One of the major factors I look for in a potential scope is the generosity of the eye box at higher magnifications. Shooting from a bench where repeatability is easy is one thing. Being able to use your scope while in less than ideal positions (OOC thread, here ya go) is another.
Also, I get a kick out of "this glass vs that glass" arguments. They're all fine and good but advances in tech have spoiled us all. Cheapies now are better than mid to high tier glass was a decade ago. Before anyone gets butthurt, I'll admit, I've never paid more than $1K for a scope so yes, if you paid $2-3K for glass, you are better than me.
Yea, my phone opens pages like it did not post and had the post reply screen.Double post an hour apart...