The Manchin Toomey part is an amendment they agreed upon that will be debated later. Not part of the bill yet.
Holmes bought his guns from a FFL who ran the NICS check and the FBI said go ahead and sell him the guns. Cho and Loughner also passed the check at a FFL. Lanza stole his weapons from someone else who passed the checks. Harris and Klebold had an accomplice pass the checks and straw purchase for them. So how in the flaming blue **** would this law have made a goddamn difference ??!?!
When are gun owners going to get it? When all their guns are gone?
It is not about preventing/reducing crime. it is about disarming America. Anything they can do that works towards this goal is OK with them.
Fire drill!
Devil's Advocate, pretend I'm an anti, my reply to you, "How are we "disarming America" by asking for universal background checks. You're just paranoid".
Go!
How are you cutting down on crime?
If I was to propose a bill to reduce our first amendment rights people would expect some evidence and analysis supported by data.
Is your position supported by data or only emotions?
Because background checks will keep guns out of criminals hands. If less people can buy them that naturally translate to less guns in the community.
My words don't kill innocent children!
Are the bodies of our children not enough?!
I've had this same argument for months with some of the crazies I've been around. I had an unfair advantage! LOL
ETA: A lot of them think they're intellectuals. It pisses them off royally when you repeat that their statements are factually wrong and not objective. Progressives love to think they own science and data. After all, its those pesky Conservatives that are all stuck on emotions and religion - unable to be changed by modern times and facts.
McCain is in the bag for the bill
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You mean there was a doubt????