The NFA Trust and the obunghole regulations

[Renegade]

NICS did not exist in 1934 when the decided to do BG Checks. No law has been proposed to eliminate NFA Checks in favor of NICS.

 

[TheDan]

I can see you know:
"I am here to request your signature for an SBR"

Ha! Reminds me of when I tried to register to vote when I moved back to Louisiana in 2002. They said there was a problem with my birth country (Saudi) and I needed to register in person. When I went down there and they saw I was a white boy with a southern accent, there was no more "problem"... good ole' Louisiana


This NFA business is really frustrating to me. Can't we have congress de-fund the entire BATFE and we just start ignoring NFA laws now?

 

[locke_n_load]

I think you are missing that several steps are done in parallel. When you submit a form, they send the check off to be be cashed, then send your prints to the FBI, and they put your form at the bottom of the pile. By the time your form has worked its way to the top (10 months or whatever it is now), your check has cleared and your BG check is approved. It then takes about 15 minutes to examiner time to process your form, affix a stamp, and get it ready to be sent back to you.

So with 12 examiners processing forms in 15 minutes 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, to process through the 50,000 forms ahead of yours is:

50,000 forms / (12 examiners x 4 forms/hr x 8 hours x 5 days/week)= 26 weeks. Then add in holidays, meetings, phone calls, training, short staff (they only had 9 examiners till last week), you can see why it takes so long.

So basically if the ATF had two different piles, individuals with BG checks and Trusts, the Trust side could move along like the fast lane... But instead they do not. Bummer. And my dealer just submitted my form 4 snail-mail instead of electronically. Ugh.

 

[Renegade]

So basically if the ATF had two different piles, individuals with BG checks and Trusts, the Trust side could move along like the fast lane... But instead they do not. Bummer. And my dealer just submitted my form 4 snail-mail instead of electronically. Ugh.

No the trust pile would take longer as there would be be more forms in it.

 

[SidewaysTA]

No, what Renegade is saying is that they can only process so many forms a day, whether they are a trust or individual does not matter. His explanation clarified it for me. They have 50,000 forms to process, the BG checks don't factor in as they are done in parallel to the waiting period.

 

[Renegade]

No, what Renegade is saying is that they can only process so many forms a day, whether they are a trust or individual does not matter. His explanation clarified it for me. They have 50,000 forms to process, the BG checks don't factor in.

Correct. Years ago when the backlog was short, yes a trust was processed faster because when the trust form made it to the top it was processed, but the individual form was stalled waiting on the BG check to be completed.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

It should all be torn down and done away with

 

[ScorpionHunter]

No the trust pile would take longer as there would be be more forms in it.

I've been told that they read every line of each trust, each time you submit it. What a depressing job. They should shut down the ATF on humanitarian grounds.

 

[HallisChalmers]

Well this is a pleasant response to my email to Sheriff Gage.

First my email:


And now the response:



Wow. That's all I can say. I'm glad that Tommy Gage says he will, but it saddens me that other fellow Texans may be screwed by these bastards in Washington.

UPDATE: Spoke with Ken at NFA Investments in Conroe and he advised Sheriff Gage WILL NOT sign off on MACHINE GUNS, but will on SBR's, SBS's silencers, etc.

 

[breakingcontact]

UPDATE: Spoke with Ken at NFA Investments in Conroe and he advised Sheriff Gage WILL NOT sign off on MACHINE GUNS, but will on SBR's, SBS's silencers, etc.

As much as I hate to go beg my lords for permission, be photographed and finger printed like a criminal to exercise my rights I need to look into the situation in Travis and Williamson counties.

 

[TheDan]

Here's a fun question... Say you start a corporation and become an 07/02; will all the officers of your corporation have to get CLEO sign off before you can manufacture any suppressors?

 

[Renegade]

Here's a fun question... Say you start a corporation and become an 07/02; will all the officers of your corporation have to get CLEO sign off before you can manufacture any suppressors?

Nope, NO CLEO signoff for FFLs.

In other words, it is easier to get an FFL to make NFA then to buy it as a non-FFL.

 

[TheDan]

edit: nevermind I can google

 

[matefrio]

Nope, NO CLEO signoff for FFLs.

In other words, it is easier to get an FFL to make NFA then to buy it as a non-FFL.

I hope they don't get wind of that.

 

[hkusp1]

Nope, NO CLEO signoff for FFLs.

In other words, it is easier to get an FFL to make NFA then to buy it as a non-FFL.

Since I'm an 07/SOT I'm going to have nfa items regardless of my CLEOs permission or not so he might as well just sign, besides if he's not a dick about it he might wrangle a discount for him and his cops.


Sent from a creepy ass cracka.

 

[1slow01Z71]

Only problem with becoming an FFL is theyre becoming increasingly more strigent on wanting you to have a storefront in order to get anything but your regular ffl.

 

[Renegade]

Only problem with becoming an FFL is theyre becoming increasingly more strigent on wanting you to have a storefront in order to get anything but your regular ffl.

Completely untrue.

 

[biglucky]

So right now the solution is to flood them with forms.. I am personally mailing off $1400 worth of forms early next week (wife is gonna be pissed, so not in the budget)..... It will be interesting to see how they treat pending forms. The 90 day comment period has just begun so there is at least 3 months to get things pending.. then all we can do is wait.

ASA is working hard on this, considering if it is successful it will put all of the silencer companies except maybe AAC and Surefire out of business (they will only survive for a while because of their military contracts). SilencerCo, Gemtech, Liberty, etc... will all be screwed. Dealers like the Silencer Shop and Silenced America will be put out of business... This will kill a lot of jobs in addition to the constitutional implications.

And to be fair (or at least as fair as you can be) the NFATCA threw us under the bus during the Bush administration when there was a better chance of not getting raped with no vaseline... It has just taken 9 years for the ATF to get to their petition...

 

[1slow01Z71]

Completely untrue.

That information came straight from my buddy who works for a Class 3 SOT in Mississippi. That is exactly what he was told by the ATF agent during their latest inspection. A regular ffl license is no big deal but once you start talking SOT status they want business licenses, insurance, the whole gamut. With a quick google search you can find multipke stories citing the same thing.

 

[biglucky]

That information came straight from my buddy who works for a Class 3 SOT in Mississippi. That is exactly what he was told by the ATF agent during their latest inspection. A regular ffl license is no big deal but once you start talking SOT status they want business licenses, insurance, the whole gamut. With a quick google search you can find multipke stories citing the same thing.

The guy your buddy is talking to is just being a douche.. Once you have an FFL 07 you just mail them an additional check and they send you an SOT. This is coming from a guy who works for an SOT and has a number of friends who have 07/02 SOT's