Pistol taken at gun point on minor traffic stop

[AKM]

Then you deserve it.

yes exactly me saying yes sir no sir and informing him I have a CHL makes it so I deserve to have a gun pointed at me, Get the **** out of here troll

 

[benenglish]

by saying its not a normal department I just meant its a small office with a few guys they don't have people to go complain to like a normal PD its them and that's pretty much it.

Son (), I hate to admit you seem to be correct. Even the Attorney General of Texas will, apparently, tell you to go pound sand: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/ag_publications/txts/ag_foryou.shtml#8

Absent misconduct that rises to the level of a civil rights violation or something that can be prosecuted under RICO, the Feds won't be any help, either.

A letter to various city officials might be filed away and might benefit someone in the future or it might just get shredded.

The situation sucks but I'm awfully glad you're OK.

 

[AKM]

Thanks dad! lol

That's pretty much my train of thought if they let me in this time as soon as Im gone its in the trash, and id most likely have a target on my back for traffic stops

 

[Greg_TX]

by saying its not a normal department I just meant its a small office with a few guys they don't have people to go complain to like a normal PD its them and that's pretty much it.

I understand that filing a complaint or report of some kind with them isn't likely to help; even in larger departments, citizen complaints sometimes don't go very far. You'd have to go over their heads to get any attention if you decide to press the issue. Since the cop was all chatty and polite (other than pointing a gun at you) and only gave you a warning, I could understand how you'd probably be content to just let it drop.

The problem is that some other person might not be as lucky the next time this cop draws his weapon and then tells a citizen to put his hands on a weapon that's on his person or in the vehicle. I can see things going very wrong very quickly - you were lucky.

 

[AKM]

Yeah I get what you mean.

 

[Glockster69]

Son (), I hate to admit you seem to be correct. Even the Attorney General of Texas will, apparently, tell you to go pound sand: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/ag_publications/txts/ag_foryou.shtml#8

Absent misconduct that rises to the level of a civil rights violation or something that can be prosecuted under RICO, the Feds won't be any help, either.

A letter to various city officials might be filed away and might benefit someone in the future or it might just get shredded.

The situation sucks but I'm awfully glad you're OK.

Agreed but like Shorts said, there's a trail IF he sends it certified.

Again, I'm not beating on your son (), but I really wish he'd file.

 

[benenglish]

Again, I'm not beating on your son (), but I really wish he'd file.

I feel the same way but, then again, I've always been in favor of useless gestures if they have the slightest potential to do good. I can certainly understand why he might figure it's not worth the trouble.

 

[Younggun]

Uhhh, whoever told you that was wrong.

Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 1999

Even assuming all 57 of the violent deaths that year happened at traffic stops (no... obviously), more cops died from on the job heart attacks (that's a shockingly high number) and traffic accidents (60 total). In fact by those stats, accidental deaths were more common than violent ones in 1999 and the crime rate (and death by gunfire rate among cops) has only gone down since then.

Forgive me for using such a shoddy source.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/professionalism/traffic.html

 

[benenglish]

Uhhh, whoever told you that was wrong.

Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 1999

Forgive me for using such a shoddy source.

Strengthening The Citizen and Law Enforcement Partnership: Traffic Stops Are Dangerous

I don't think you two are citing sources that disagree very much, possibly not at all. The wording on the NHTSA.GOV site does not rule out including all traffic-related deaths, whether or not they are incidental to any traffic stop. If you read it that way, both sites can be used to support a statement that, to quote the NHTSA site, "...over half of all officer, line-of-duty deaths were related to traffic incidences."

Using the stats on the ODMP.ORG site, add up the deaths from any incident tied, by a very broad definition, to traffic. Out of a total of 151 deaths, there were:

Automobile accident: 39
Motorcycle accident: 6
Struck by train: 1
Struck by vehicle: 8
Vehicle pursuit: 6
Vehicular assault: 9

That's 69 of 151 deaths that can, by the generalized language of the NHTSA site, possibly be included in the total for traffic-related deaths. If just 7 or more (a completely reasonable assumption) of the 43 deaths by deliberate gunfire happened at traffic stops, then more than half of all officer deaths are related to "traffic incidences", though not specifically "traffic stops".

Reasonable?

Two last points -

1. Didn't Second Chance, for the longest time, claim that the majority of officer lives saved by their vests were due to protection provided during a car wreck?
2. I think the NHTSA site should use the word "incidents" rather than "incidences". The inclusion of all traffic incidents, even those that do not involve a stop, would have been clearer if they had used the right word. See: The difference between incidence and incidents (grammar lesson)

 

[M. Sage]

I don't think you two are citing sources that disagree very much, possibly not at all. The wording on the NHTSA.GOV site does not rule out including all traffic-related deaths, whether or not they are incidental to any traffic stop. If you read it that way, both sites can be used to support a statement that, to quote the NHTSA site, "...over half of all officer, line-of-duty deaths were related to traffic incidences."

Using the stats on the ODMP.ORG site, add up the deaths from any incident tied, by a very broad definition, to traffic. Out of a total of 151 deaths, there were:

Automobile accident: 39
Motorcycle accident: 6
Struck by train: 1
Struck by vehicle: 8
Vehicle pursuit: 6
Vehicular assault: 9

That's 69 of 151 deaths that can, by the generalized language of the NHTSA site, possibly be included in the total for traffic-related deaths. If just 7 or more (a completely reasonable assumption) of the 43 deaths by deliberate gunfire happened at traffic stops, then more than half of all officer deaths are related to "traffic incidences", though not specifically "traffic stops".

Reasonable?

Two last points -

1. Didn't Second Chance, for the longest time, claim that the majority of officer lives saved by their vests were due to protection provided during a car wreck?
2. I think the NHTSA site should use the word "incidents" rather than "incidences". The inclusion of all traffic incidents, even those that do not involve a stop, would have been clearer if they had used the right word. See: The difference between incidence and incidents (grammar lesson)

I was just going to point that out. The article doesn't say "traffic stops," but appears to be deaths related to traffic in general.

But yeah, that source article is so badly written that I think whatever drone hunt and pecked it out should never come into physical contact with another keyboard for the rest of their life outside of someone smacking them upside their water head with one from time to time.

That's where my tax dollars go. SMH.

 

[jordanmills]

Wow. I've had two traffic stops while carrying. Once by city traffic cop. When I told him I was carrying all he said was not to reach for it. He also didn't give me a ticket. The second time by a county deputy. I had two guns, one on me and another laying under my jacket in the passenger seat. Again, when I informed him he asked if they were loaded. I said yes. He said don't reach for them. But he did issue me a ticket, and I had to take a class to get it dismissed.

Odd how different cops do things differently. Or maybe I just don't look like a threat.

I think most cops know you're much more likely to take their back than to draw on them, so they won't disarm you. I've only been disarmed once, but we were a couple of white guys driving through the black part of town with a dozen guns in the truck and an obvious rookie in training making the stop (which was legit, my front plate had fallen off). It was pretty obviously a training opportunity.

 

[jordanmills]

I feel the same way but, then again, I've always been in favor of useless gestures if they have the slightest potential to do good. I can certainly understand why he might figure it's not worth the trouble.

That and when this clown negligently shoots someone on a routine traffic stop, there will be some documentation of his reckless behavior.

 

[TX69]

To be honest no. I wasn't looking to in the first place it's pointless there I didn't think this many people would reply just wondered if it happened to anyone else.

That being said it's a 6-8 person police force they don't and won't do anything about it I lived there over a year. They wouldn't even open the door when I tried to talk to them about almost running me over, doing doughnuts in my yard, and tried to report an officer harassing me for being in my own driveway weekly sometimes more.


I'm better off talking to a wall honestly.


sent from the bathroom

Move

 

[AKM]

Move

the key word was "Lived" as in past tense.

 

[Shorts]

I feel ornery this morning....

Move

Or, like in current fashion, video tape the stop and youtube it. That'll get attention quick.

Disclaimer, you'll likely get shot by Officer McFingeron DeTrigger



Ok ok, don't do that.

Mike, sounds like you've moved on from that area. Probably the best thing for yall to do. Doesn't sound like the kind of environment I'd like to live etither.

 

[pharmaco]

yes exactly me saying yes sir no sir and informing him I have a CHL makes it so I deserve to have a gun pointed at me, Get the **** out of here troll

Am I missing something here or did I not directly quote you?

Let me repeat: if you're going to accept that cop's behavior as normal and routine, without so much as the smallest of objection, you deserve to be treated that way.

"I almost can't blame him." Give me a fucking break.

"B-buh they might target me for tickets!" Don't be a coward.

 

[TX69]

I feel ornery this morning....



Or, like in current fashion, video tape the stop and youtube it. That'll get attention quick.

Disclaimer, you'll likely get shot by Officer McFingeron DeTrigger



Ok ok, don't do that.

Mike, sounds like you've moved on from that area. Probably the best thing for yall to do. Doesn't sound like the kind of environment I'd like to live etither.

I hve been looking HARD at lots of video equipment lately for both the home and the car. Doesnt tkae much for a regular citizen to get paranoid about getting shot, beaten, tazed or whatever by JBTs. Thanks to the YouTubes of the world everyone wants video and it is getting so prolific the prices are coming way down.

 

[Easy CZ]

 

[Driller]

I have my cell phone mounted on my windshield. (hands free phone calls etc..). I can push the camera button on video and point it in the direction of my drivers side window and record traffic stops. Most cops are ok but every dept has their assholes.

 

[craigntx]

galveston pd, upon discovering I had a chl, bent me over their car felon style trying to find a concealed weapon on me (I had none)
asked me why didnt I tell them I had a chl (actually it had been yanked over a month b4)