Pistol taken at gun point on minor traffic stop

[breakingcontact]

was a joke of sorts there was more but I didn't finish it.

Oh. THAT time! Cant talk about it on advice of my lawyer. When you need a criminal lawyer...you need a CRIMINAL lawyer!

 

[ROGER4314]

It's been decades since I was pulled over by a cop so I can't relate. I don't know exactly how long it's been but it was before I came to Texas in 1992.

What got me stopped was that I drove a 1957 Ford Pick up with black primer that had turned a chalky grey. An LEO by the name of Stortts was shot in a traffic stop by a driver with an old, grey pickup. I got stopped with guns drawn and it happened a LOT over the course of a week or so. Finally, one of the cops gave me his card and I taped it to my rear window. I also put a sign in the window: "I am NOT the guy you're looking for!" Finally, it went away and life got back to normal.

I mention this because you may have been caught up in a similar situation. You don't know what that cop may have actually been looking for.

Flash

 

[HillRider]

I think that we all can agree that the right of the police to protect the citizens and themselves does not override my right to keep and bear arms and go about my own business without being harassed. The sheeple are just as much to blame by becoming helpless, little sniveling snitches and reinforcing the belief that LE rules over us and that we are second class citizens. Constitutionally speaking, really, what gives a cop the right to put a gun to your head? I'll add, there was probably a time in the history of this country where such actions would have to result in some kind of duel or gunfight--someone would have to die--just to preserve honor.

 

[Younggun]

I think that we all can agree that the right of the police to protect the citizens and themselves does not override my right to keep and bear arms and go about my own business without being harassed.

The sheeple are just as much to blame by becoming helpless, little sniveling snitches and reinforcing the belief that LE rules over us and that we are second class citizens.

Constitutionally speaking, really, what gives a cop the right to put a gun to your head? I'll add, there was probably a time in the history of this country where such actions would have to result in some kind of duel or gunfight--someone would have to die--just to preserve honor.

I know it's a waste of time, but what the hell.


To the first part. That is just an off the wall comment insinuating that we don't had that right be a use of police. Who said we don't have that right? Please be more specific and if you give an example, something other than an isolated in exempt would be good.

The second part is just a rant about "sheeple" and another insinuation that LE and or "sheeple" believe we are second class citizens. There is no evidence that this is a widespread belief. You are simply attempting to apply this attitude to LE in general.

Last part. There are many situations I can think of where it would be prudent for a cop to point his gun at someone, head or body. As far as the right to do so, I suppose it would be the same as the part that gives you the right to protect yourself or another person. You do believe you have the right to protect someone, right?


So some cops screw up, and some are screw ups, and so e are pricks. Got people like that at my job to but the vast majority do not fit those categories( guess everybody will screw up at some point) and I don't consider everybody I work with to be a prick because a couple people are.

 

[Younggun]

As far as why cops can be so defensive on a traffic stop, considering that in 1999 that's where over half of all the line of duty deaths occurred, it makes sense to be cautious.

That said, the officer from the OP was way overboard.

 

[breakingcontact]

Something about "with great power comes great responsibility."

 

[AngeliaH]

Something about "with great power comes great responsibility."

+1

 

[Glockster69]

Have you filed a complaint Mike?

 

[breakingcontact]

+1

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[AKM]

To be honest no. I wasn't looking to in the first place it's pointless there I didn't think this many people would reply just wondered if it happened to anyone else.

That being said it's a 6-8 person police force they don't and won't do anything about it I lived there over a year. They wouldn't even open the door when I tried to talk to them about almost running me over, doing doughnuts in my yard, and tried to report an officer harassing me for being in my own driveway weekly sometimes more.


I'm better off talking to a wall honestly.


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[Glockster69]

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Yes, I read your post but still, a little reminder ...

AKMike, sounds like a position I wouldn't want to be in. Glad things didn't go sideways. Might be worth it to put in a formal complaint so that it is documented. Never know when an incident will occur from that LEO behavior & procedure that documented history will matter

 

[AKM]

Guess I should add this guy wasn't there when I lived in that neighborhood. So it's not something from the other problems I had with them.

Like I said it's not a normal police department(city/county) it's a very small group of buddies that wouldn't dare punish their own. They patrol a ONE neighborhood that skirts a feeder on 45 and FM 830.


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[AKM]

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Yes, I read your post but still, a little reminder ...

As I said before they lock the door when you walk up and won't talk like adults, or have done it several times to me anyway. Lol


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[Glockster69]

CMRRR letter. Not trying to bust ya but your making excuses. I'll do my best to leave it at that.

 

[AKM]

I'm not hurt or dead and was never scared for my life just thought it was odd.


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[TAVM]

Wow. I didn't read through the entire thread, but interesting response from the LEO. I understand that traffic stops are scary, because an LEO is dealing with possibly a very dangerous situation. But most seasoned LEO's generally have a good sense of who is going to be a threat almost before anything happens. There's always indicators. So it's surprising that he'd draw on you, polite or not. It's kind of like the polite robber on you tube. mo matter how cordial you are...you're still pointing a gun at me for no good reason.

 

[Greg_TX]

Guess I should add this guy wasn't there when I lived in that neighborhood. So it's not something from the other problems I had with them.

Like I said it's not a normal police department(city/county) it's a very small group of buddies that wouldn't dare punish their own. They patrol a ONE neighborhood that skirts a feeder on 45 and FM 830.

So, Panorama Village PD? Thanks for finally giving up that info - I'd really like to know which departments employ officers that point loaded weapons at CHL holders during traffic stops. I don't care if they're just a handful of good ol' boys patrolling a neighborhood - they're fully commissioned peace officers with the same duties and responsibilities as any other LEO and should conduct themselves as professionals.

What, you didn't think this was big deal - just a little odd? Are you f***ing kidding me?! You've even got TXI, of all people, thinking this cop was out of line. You're probably sorry you brought it up, but it really is a good thing you did. People need to know about cops like this.

 

[M. Sage]

As far as why cops can be so defensive on a traffic stop, considering that in 1999 that's where over half of all the line of duty deaths occurred, it makes sense to be cautious.

That said, the officer from the OP was way overboard.

Uhhh, whoever told you that was wrong.

Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 1999

Even assuming all 57 of the violent deaths that year happened at traffic stops (no... obviously), more cops died from on the job heart attacks (that's a shockingly high number) and traffic accidents (60 total). In fact by those stats, accidental deaths were more common than violent ones in 1999 and the crime rate (and death by gunfire rate among cops) has only gone down since then.

 

[AKM]

So, Panorama Village PD? Thanks for finally giving up that info - I'd really like to know which departments employ officers that point loaded weapons at CHL holders during traffic stops. I don't care if they're just a handful of good ol' boys patrolling a neighborhood - they're fully commissioned peace officers with the same duties and responsibilities as any other LEO and should conduct themselves as professionals.

What, you didn't think this was big deal - just a little odd? Are you f***ing kidding me?! You've even got TXI, of all people, thinking this cop was out of line. You're probably sorry you brought it up, but it really is a good thing you did. People need to know about cops like this.

by saying its not a normal department I just meant its a small office with a few guys they don't have people to go complain to like a normal PD its them and that's pretty much it.

 

[pharmaco]

Yeah I know what you mean. I dont hassle them if I got pulled over I most likely did something, and being kind has gotten me way farther than anyone I know who acts like a prick to them.

I agree he went overboard, but can also see that being such a small department where nothing happens maybe he got excited, and went over the line. At the same time I almost cant blame him with some of the crazy folks in this world you cant really trust anyone. I tried to look at it from both sides, like I said before Im not out to start anything just curious if anyone else had experienced it. Im kind of weird I guess but I didn't feel threatened really I get the guy wants to go home at night, but I figured it wasnt a normal situation either.

Then you deserve it.