What say you?

[ROGER4314]

I have always jumped at the chance to learn something new or attend classes of some sort. I have two concerns, though. First, there will be extra cost. That is a tax put on a RIGHT. That sucks and I oppose it for that reason.

Second, When the rulers can simply add additional qualifications when they want to, only a fool would think they wouldn't add MORE requirements later.

The CHL law and actual performance of our licensed citizens is magnificent! Our CHL holders obey the law, stay within it and statistics of CHL holders actually breaking the law are a tiny decimal of total crimes. Why "fix" something that isn't broken?

Flash

 

[txinvestigator]

What say you? Not far down the road, to get a CHL license will first require the applicant to complete the NRA Basic Pistol Course.

No, it won't. And there is no pending legislation as the legislature is not even in session.

 

[txinvestigator]

I am an instructor and it is coming. Not sure when.

I am an instructor, and no it's not.

It is not even required for instructors.

 

[Younggun]

I am an instructor, and no it's not.

It is not even required for instructors.

Not trying to go OT, but are you sure?

My dad applied for the instructors course and one of the requirements was an NRA course.

He had intended to take the longerDPS course, 5 days instead of 3 i think, but at the time he applied it appeared it was no longer offered and the only option left was the NRA route. Was a pretty basic course with both semi auto and NSA 22lr handguns.

Know anything about it?

 

[txinvestigator]

Not trying to go OT, but are you sure?

My dad applied for the instructors course and one of the requirements was an NRA course.

He had intended to take the longerDPS course, 5 days instead of 3 i think, but at the time he applied it appeared it was no longer offered and the only option left was the NRA route. Was a pretty basic course with both semi auto and NSA 22lr handguns.

Know anything about it?

Yeah, I was intentionally vague to see if our OP knew the actual law. NRA is one of the instructor certifications one can have to qualify as a prerequisite to the CHL instructor course. A Texas Private Security Bureau firearms instructor certification, TCLEOSE (TCOLE) Firearms instructor certification, or a nationally recognized firearms instructor certification will do.

I just renewed my CHL instructor, and I am not an NRA instructor

Has Dad been to DPS yet?

 

[40Arpent]

Pulled from the interwebz:


Note: Department of Public Safety has revised their instructor procedures. As of 2013 you must be certified as an instructor through an accredited process before becoming a Texas CHL instructor.


To become a Qualified Texas Concealed Handgun Instructor you must take and pass the Texas Department of Public Safety training course and successfully complete a background check.


To qualify for the DPS class you must document firearm instructor certification through the National Rifle Association, TCLEOSE, Security Officer training, or the military.

 

[Younggun]

Yeah, I was intentionally vague to see if our OP knew the actual law. NRA is one of the instructor certifications one can have to qualify as a prerequisite to the CHL instructor course. A Texas Private Security Bureau firearms instructor certification, TCLEOSE (TCOLE) Firearms instructor certification, or a nationally recognized firearms instructor certification will do.

I just renewed my CHL instructor, and I am not an NRA instructor

Has Dad been to DPS yet?

Not yet, got a letter saying he needed to send something else to them. Didn't ask what it was.

He's debating on completing the course at this point. Worrying about liability if someone from one of his classes does something stupid or is involved in a bad shoot.


Sorry to screw up your little test, lol.

 

[txinvestigator]

Pulled from the interwebz:


Note: Department of Public Safety has revised their instructor procedures. As of 2013 you must be certified as an instructor through an accredited process before becoming a Texas CHL instructor.


To become a Qualified Texas Concealed Handgun Instructor you must take and pass the Texas Department of Public Safety training course and successfully complete a background check.


To qualify for the DPS class you must document firearm instructor certification through the National Rifle Association, TCLEOSE, Security Officer training, or the military.

I think I said that....

 

[M. Sage]

Are you sure the basic handgun safety course won't be replacing the CHL course? It's that way in a couple states, IIRC.

 

[txinvestigator]

Not yet, got a letter saying he needed to send something else to them. Didn't ask what it was.

He's debating on completing the course at this point. Worrying about liability if someone from one of his classes does something stupid or is involved in a bad shoot.


Sorry to screw up your little test, lol.

Tell Dad that the Government Code has immunity for CHL instructors for the acts of their students. Also, the training is top notch, and even if he only teaches enough to cover the costs associated with attending, the value far surpasses that.

 

[txinvestigator]

Are you sure the basic handgun safety course won't be replacing the CHL course? It's that way in a couple states, IIRC.

Yes. Gotta learn Texas laws.....

 

[Younggun]

Tell Dad that the Government Code has immunity for CHL instructors for the acts of their students. Also, the training is top notch, and even if he only teaches enough to cover the costs associated with attending, the value far surpasses that.

If he decides no to pursue it I may start myself. We already have the range built and I think I would enjoy it. Planned to work as a "helper on his courses.


I will let him know about the immunity, thanks.

 

[txinvestigator]

If he decides no to pursue it I may start myself. We already have the range built and I think I would enjoy it. Planned to work as a "helper on his courses.


I will let him know about the immunity, thanks.

Just FYI

Texas Government Code
Sec. 411.208. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. (a) A court may not hold the state, an agency or subdivision of the state, an officer or employee of the state, a peace officer, or a qualified handgun instructor liable for damages caused by:
(1) an action authorized under this subchapter or a failure to perform a duty imposed by this subchapter; or
(2) the actions of an applicant or license holder that occur after the applicant has received a license or been denied a license under this subchapter.
(b) A cause of action in damages may not be brought against the state, an agency or subdivision of the state, an officer or employee of the state, a peace officer, or a qualified handgun instructor for any damage caused by the actions of an applicant or license holder under this subchapter.
(c) The department is not responsible for any injury or damage inflicted on any person by an applicant or license holder arising or alleged to have arisen from an action taken by the department under this subchapter.
(d) The immunities granted under Subsections (a), (b), and (c) do not apply to an act or a failure to act by the state, an agency or subdivision of the state, an officer of the state, or a peace officer if the act or failure to act was capricious or arbitrary.
(e) The immunities granted under Subsection (a) to a qualified handgun instructor do not apply to a cause of action for fraud or a deceptive trade practice.

 

[V-Tach]

No....

The NRA course will not be part of the CHL process for folks to get a CHL.....


I will admit that it would be nice if they took it before hand, but am against requiring it.

jmho...

 

[40Arpent]

I think I said that....

But not as succinctly. I was a little slow on the cut and paste. LOL

 

[MPA1988]

No, it won't. And there is no pending legislation as the legislature is not even in session.

I didn't mention legislation. I am an NRA instructor and CHL instructor and the word in my circle of influence is saying it is just a matter of time. I didn't mention anything near a legislative agenda at this point in regard to NRA Basic Shooting.

 

[txinvestigator]

I didn't mention legislation. I am an NRA instructor and CHL instructor and the word in my circle of influence is saying it is just a matter of time. I didn't mention anything near a legislative agenda at this point in regard to NRA Basic Shooting.

It cannot be done without legislation, and your "circle of influence" is wrong.

 

[MPA1988]

NRA instructor cert is simply one avenue to qualify for the CHL instructor license, for which attending the CHL instructor class in Austin is still required. Nonetheless, that is not the substance or point of my thread.

Let me be clear. I never mentioned pending legislation. What I am simply stating is that in my CIRCILE OF INFLUENCE which is expansive, completing the NRA Basic Pistol course will become a prerequisite to complete before attending the CHL licensing course to carry a concealed firearm. Again, it is just a matter of time and due course. And yes, no pending legislation yet.

A few posters need to review my profile. My credentials on gun laws, matters of CHL and the NRA is beyond reproach. Challenge me at your own peril.

 

[BIGPAPIGREG]

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[txinvestigator]

NRA instructor cert is simply one avenue to qualify for the CHL instructor license, for which attending the CHL instructor class in Austin is still required. Nonetheless, that is not the substance or point of my thread.

Let me be clear. I never mentioned pending legislation. What I am simply stating is that in my CIRCILE OF INFLUENCE which is expansive, completing the NRA Basic Pistol course will become a prerequisite to complete before attending the CHL licensing course to carry a concealed firearm.

A few posters need to review my profile. My credentials on gun laws, matters of CHL and the NRA is beyond reproach. Challenge me at your own peril.

You don't know what you are writing about. Again, legislation would be required.