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[Shorts]

Look at what happened in Colorado.

Yes, they had recalls and such but the laws aren't repealed yet and they are having to fight in order to gain lost ground. Seemed to have come out of nowhere.

All it takes is 1 election to flip Texas blue (and have a devastating impact here and across the nation).

Preemption language only stops laws stricter than standing state laws from being passed, it does not stop a state law from being passed saying your 1911 suddenly takes illegal hi capacity magazines.

So in my view, we are never more than 1 election cycle away. Having laws in place to make it more difficult to ram crap down our throats before we can put a stop to it would be a huge advantage should we catch a bad cycle.

I don't disagree with that. How do you work through what seems to be the challenge of the state legislature's MO of taking baby steps in regards to an issue? I'm on board with you but from all I've read about how the leg. works it's hard to eat the whole hamburger at once. Instead we have to keep ordering plates of sliders.

 

[karlac]

Another consideration for pro gun legislators, if they are not already doing so.

The CHL statistics page on the dps website, particularly the conviction rate of CHL holders with regard to the general population, is both astounding and irrefutable.

This statistical data, another reason for building on what has already been accomplished, is ripe for wielding at every opportunity by pro gun rights individuals, their legislators and representatives on all levels, and their press personnel:

Texas DPS - CHL Conviction Rates Reports

I'm not aware of any other readily available data source that proves our points more, so it's certainly something for individuals to be aware of, and consider using, when partaking in social media these days.

 

[PhulesAu]

Uhhhh, how do you get convicted of unlicensed carry?? and be a CHL holder? Or am I misunderstanding completely.

 

[karlac]

I'm sure there is more than one way. INAL, but a few possibilities come to mind, like not having your CHL with you when carrying concealed, open carrying of a handgun by a CHL holder in public, carrying in one of the many statutorily specific places that a CHL does not grant a license to carry, etc.

 

[PhulesAu]

Thanks, some days it's hard to get all 4 brain cell to fire in order... And I think it's getting worse.

 

[dsukid]

We need a much stronger Texas "2nd Amendment"! Article 1 Section 23 to be specific.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

There are 2 things bugging me right now.
1. the length of time it's taking the dang texas gubbermint to process the chl application. I'm at 2 months. That's bs.

2. I'd like to see some sort of legislation making it burdensome for an entity to ban guns. Now I know this goes against some of my other beliefs. (Sorta). But if you're going to ban guns, 30.06, you aught pay a tax an expensive tax, register, demonstrate your ability to secure the premises in order to infringe on people's constitutional rights. (And the state aught to only have 1 person with a month worth of vacation built up processing these applications)
Because that's the crap I have to go through to just carry a gun.
After all that's what I have to do to carry one.

That comes up a lot, when I got my CHL it only took about a week or, others seem to take forever. In talking with folks on this that are part of the system they to are not sure why that is the case. I got my CHL in about a week and another person took 3 weeks yet all the paper when in at the same time???

The thread seems to have veered towards CHL. While I'd like more room there, I don't think that's what Old Cowboy wanted. I thought the purpose was to brain storm to work on language that pre-empted and protected us overall from more gun control legislation like the things put forth after a highly publicized mass shooting. Better CHL laws will only affect those who want to carry or already carry, but they won't do much to protect gun rights of all citizens.

I have not seen much talk on ammunition sales. And that is a concern we need to address. Gun does you little good if you don't have or cannot get ammo in a timely fashion. Waiting period for ammo sales is not something we want, nor is excessive taxes. I know some states are talking 'cigarette' type taxes on ammo and waiting time.

 

[So_Tx_Rich]

Why has 2013 HB 553 stalled? Let's get busy, guys!

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/BillStages.aspx?LegSess=83R&Bill=HB553

 

[matefrio]

Why has 2013 HB 553 stalled? Let's get busy, guys!

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/BillStages.aspx?LegSess=83R&Bill=HB553

Hmmm TX Congress is out of session for the year 2013 and will take off all of 2014 returning 2015 for a few short months.

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[So_Tx_Rich]

Hmmm TX Congress is out of session for the year 2013 and will take off all of 2014 returning 2015 for a few short months.

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I happen to think this one is worthy of a special session. Just my opinion.

 

[matefrio]

I think certain things were left behind just so the next governor can take credit for some early wins.

 

[boomgoesthedynamite]

I think one thing that can be done to prevent bad legislation is a penalty for laws that are struck down. In Ca they keep passing unconstitutional legislation knowing there is no penalty for it. If you hold at least the authors, but ideally all those who voted for it liable, I think it would cut down on nuisance and knee-jerk laws.

 

[M. Sage]

I think one thing that can be done to prevent bad legislation is a penalty for laws that are struck down. In Ca they keep passing unconstitutional legislation knowing there is no penalty for it. If you hold at least the authors, but ideally all those who voted for it liable, I think it would cut down on nuisance and knee-jerk laws.

I like this. IIRC, Florida has a penalty for violation of the firearms preemption law. It would be awesome to see some local politicos in San Antonio roasted over a spit (figuratively, as far as you know) for the long gun carry/transportation ordinance that flies directly in the face of state law.

 

[matefrio]

I think they should target Travis County not allowing gun shows on .gov land\resources.

 

[diveRN]

I think one thing that can be done to prevent bad legislation is a penalty for laws that are struck down. In Ca they keep passing unconstitutional legislation knowing there is no penalty for it. If you hold at least the authors, but ideally all those who voted for it liable, I think it would cut down on nuisance and knee-jerk laws.

While a criminal penalty may seem appropriate in theory, in reality it'll never happen. Remember, what's good for the goose... this would come back and bite conservatives later. The reason these laws continue to get passed here is because there is a supportive constituency. Look at Diane Feinstein. She's one of the most liberal members of congress who is rabidly anti-2a and yet she gets elected here time and time again. Why? Because the libtards in the Bay Area continue to elect her.

No, the job of the legislation is to propose laws, even bad ones. What we need to do is organize and energize right-minded people and get these whackos out of office (or prevent them from getting there) through the polls.

Why am I leaving California then and not staying to fight? Because at this point, I believe California to be lost. High taxes, high cost of living, and a bevy of other "high-cost-ofs" have driven right minded folks away from here in spite of our best efforts to vote out the liberals. Simply put, we're outnumbered here. Considering the political makeup of each state and the things I mentioned above, there's a much better chance of keeping Texas red than turning California away from blue. While people are becoming more active in conservative areas here, they're outnumbered by as much as 2:1 in some areas.

One thing about this state: There is no provision in California's constitution allowing for the right to keep and bear arms. I'm well aware that the US constitution overrides this exclusion, but this leaves a lot of wiggle room for state legislators to propose and pass laws that will get tied up in courts for years with the hope that it won't go before a conservative judiciary. Look at the ACA, arguably the worst legislation in US history and it's now the "law of the land." Tactically, this strategy has proven successful for the left.

 

[So_Tx_Rich]

While a criminal penalty may seem appropriate in theory, in reality it'll never happen. Remember, what's good for the goose... this would come back and bite conservatives later. The reason these laws continue to get passed here is because there is a supportive constituency. Look at Diane Feinstein. She's one of the most liberal members of congress who is rabidly anti-2a and yet she gets elected here time and time again. Why? Because the libtards in the Bay Area continue to elect her.

No, the job of the legislation is to propose laws, even bad ones. What we need to do is organize and energize right-minded people and get these whackos out of office (or prevent them from getting there) through the polls.

Why am I leaving California then and not staying to fight? Because at this point, I believe California to be lost. High taxes, high cost of living, and a bevy of other "high-cost-ofs" have driven right minded folks away from here in spite of our best efforts to vote out the liberals. Simply put, we're outnumbered here. Considering the political makeup of each state and the things I mentioned above, there's a much better chance of keeping Texas red than turning California away from blue. While people are becoming more active in conservative areas here, they're outnumbered by as much as 2:1 in some areas.

One thing about this state: There is no provision in California's constitution allowing for the right to keep and bear arms. I'm well aware that the US constitution overrides this exclusion, but this leaves a lot of wiggle room for state legislators to propose and pass laws that will get tied up in courts for years with the hope that it won't go before a conservative judiciary. Look at the ACA, arguably the worst legislation in US history and it's now the "law of the land." Tactically, this strategy has proven successful for the left.

A friend of mine once told me "The problem with California is that it is full of Californians" Obviously, he said it in jest, but the ring of truth is there. There is obviously enough of a "burkley-esque" constituency to keep people like Feinstein and Pelosi in office, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

 

[RACER X]

Dang tapatalk

 

[oldjarhead56]

Our top priority should be what some have called "Constitutional Carry" or "Second Amendment Carry" legislation passed, like Arizona, Alaska, and and Vermont. If a person can pass the NICS check when buying a firearm, and filling out a form 4473, to show you are a certified "Good Guy/Gal," that should be all you need to carry. You should not need a "permit" from the government, to exercise your God given right of self defense, affirmed by the Second Amendment. Open carry or concealed. Period.

 

[Vaquero]

Our top priority should be what some have called "Constitutional Carry" or "Second Amendment Carry" legislation passed, like Arizona, Alaska, and and Vermont. If a person can pass the NICS check when buying a firearm, and filling out a form 4473, to show you are a certified "Good Guy/Gal," that should be all you need to carry. You should not need a "permit" from the government, to exercise your God given right of self defense, affirmed by the Second Amendment. Open carry or concealed. Period.

Good 1st post.

 

[Army 1911]

Adding the 2nd Amendment to what is in post 6, and doing away with all CHL requirements. The 2nd is enough. Add criminal penalties. Maybe ban carry in K through 12 schools, courthouses and such but allow unfettered open or concealed carry by any who can legally own a firearm, knife, spear, sword or axe. In essence constitutional carry, not conditional carry.