Translation | Year | Romans 8:29 | Romans 8:30 |
Wyclif | 1380 | bifor ordeyned | bifor ordeyned |
Tyndale | 1534 | ordeyned before | appoynted before |
Cranmer | 1539 | ordeyned before | appoynted before |
Geneva | 1657 | ordeyned before | appoynted before |
Rheims | 1582 | predestinated | predestinated |
Standard Rev. | 1881 | foreordained | foreordained |
James Moffatt | 1913 | decreed of old | has thus decreed |
J. B. Phillips | 1958 | chose them | chose them long ago |
Wm. F. Beck | 1963 | appointed long ago | appointed long ago |
New Testament in Today’s English | 1966 | had also set apart | had already set apart |
Im cool with KJV. I usually check a couple different versions.
Predestination or not breaks my mind. Infralapariansm and supralapsarianism and such.
Sermon on Romans 8:30 has been sticking with me. I understand it. What I struggle with is sanctification because its nothing I can do or even believe.
I am increasingly seeing that for believers God works in all things and He has always been in my life even when things didnt go as I wanted.
Faith by justification and I feel like its sanctification through just finding peace with things. Being calm and allowing God to work in my life and not get in my own way.
You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.
I think you would benefit from downloadiing some sermons from John MacArther on John Chapter 3
The truths about God's soveriegnty and man's free will are both true and paralell
Justification removes the punishment for past sin after we repent. We are able to repent due to His Atonement. Even then we are still imperfect.
Sanctification removes the stain or effects of sin Isaiah 1:18
Sanctification through spiritual growth is a lifelong process complete at resurrection. Heard a preacher say as soon as a tree stops growing it starts dying. Christians arent just a pole stuck in the ground we are like a tree. Sanctification also involves being set apart and used for His will on Earth.
The verse ties them all together though right?
During this life we sin. Those on the path of righteousness who are foreordained (Matthew 22:14) go through a process then of being justified and sanctified.
It's a hardening process. Like a blacksmith tempering steel the blows of the hammer are us being justified and the fire is like us being sanctified.
Right and its not expected to be or foretold to be easy.
You've got to know when to use a Bible and when to use a rifle.
I see no evidence that the path is easy. Just that the burden is lighter when we comply with His will and understand where we are going.
Scary stuff.
no sir, it's good news to me
Interesting thread. Those verses used to bother me too BC, but our interpretation of predestined might be a lot different that the interpretation when it was originally penned. Mate Frio pointed that out in his excellent post.
Wow! I go to the range for a few hours and look what I missed.