We knew that.This little bit of data analysis appears to indicate that Californication is, in fact, a thing.
We knew that.This little bit of data analysis appears to indicate that Californication is, in fact, a thing.
Well you are right, it is not a photo ID. Your SSN is not to be used for identifying purposes but we all know how it works.
I CAN have it both ways. A state ID is not a National ID. We require ID to board planes, buy guns, get booze, but when it comes to voting, well heck no, we can't ask for ID? I am pretty sure we can teach poll workers how to identify a valid State ID. Do you not think so?
And yeah, the 2 party system is fundamentally flawed. It fosters an us vs them mentality. The point I was making about the Gallup results is that more people are fed up with this.Perhaps.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/225056/americans-identification-independents-back-2017.aspx
Someone asked for a reference?
The largest group of Americans identify as independents.
Voting straight-party is, to me, a flaw, though the majority of Americans do.
Especially when it comes to judicial appointments that should be, in principle, non-partisan.
The Dems I voted for were mostly the judicial races and attorney general etc. DC/USA....I vote pure GOP. Local races have fine Dem candidates.
Well CA is a pariah with a lot of issues besides handing out DL like candy. So beacuse some places don't do it correctly, you are for no ID at all? I think this is the 2nd time I asked. I lose track.Not when you have states like CA handing out DL to illegals and other states not even hitting basic real ID requirements to get on a plane.
No ID at all for whom? People here illegally? Sure- one that's very clearly marked to signify they have no right to vote, to be employed, or to receive any public assistance until they at least start the process of citizenship.Well CA is a pariah with a lot of issues besides handing out DL like candy. So beacuse some places don't do it correctly, you are for no ID at all? I think this is the 2nd time I asked. I lose track.
And your solution is..............?There are lots of things wrong with politics, but one of the most basic is the 2 party system.
Well CA is a pariah with a lot of issues besides handing out DL like candy. So beacuse some places don't do it correctly, you are for no ID at all? I think this is the 2nd time I asked. I lose track.
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I wish I had one- but my training and experience is in engineering. Likely any solution will have issues as well, but I don't agree with blaming people for voting one way or another within a system- the system IS the issue.And your solution is..............?
I'm genuinely curious why you would believe that? Because it's a patently false statement.Not at all what I said. I said you need a national standard Secure ID if you truly want voter fraud stopped. If every state is doing its own thing you’re screwed.
Say we identify everyone with a cryptographically secure certificate.
I'm genuinely curious why you would believe that? Because it's a patently false statement.
I'm not saying this is the most secure method, but we'll use it for arguments' sake due to its simplicity. Say we identify everyone with a cryptographically secure certificate. The state issues the certificates to each voter based on their own private key. The voter then casts a ballot which is then signed with their certificate. This provides the ability for the state to identify each voter, as they have the private key. This allows the fed to validate the voter and the ballot but they cannot identify, as they only have each state's public key. In the event of a move across state lines, the certificate can be quickly and easily revoked via revocation lists.
If we're getting down to brass tacks, PKI isn't sufficient.That’s a neatly engineered solution. Think about the failure modes and how they would be addressed.
Cost: Significantly cheaper than physical voting.Let’s see.
Cost
General public stupidity
Lost passwords
Simple passwords
Forgotten passwords
Lack of understanding of technology at the polling place
Network outages
You are not training, teaching, or giving an understanding to the GP about salted crypto hashes and if they don’t trust they system it doesn’t work. Everyone understands what an ID card is. Why are you against the standard secure photo ID?
A standard secure ID. Hell make it literally for voting only, the states can keep doing what ever they like with state ID/DL/etc.
Cost: Significantly cheaper than physical voting.
General public stupidity: Different than now, how?
Lost/Simple/Forgotten passwords: A properly implemented system does not rely on passwords at all. A poorly implemented one would.
Lack of understanding of tech at polling place: Polling places would become ghost towns, and staff could easily assist. Most voting would be done on personal devices.
Network outages: Honestly that is the least of your worries. Properly implemented there's no need for real-time network access at all.
I say we implant everyone with a chip! There, that'll fix it! (sarcasm, in case you needed help in identifying it)
You perhaps missed the part where I said PKI is insufficient. I merely used it as a simpler, more easy to understand example of how it's concretely possible.So you don’t trust them with Id’s but think the gov could pull this off? Wow, okay so back in reality where the OPM loses unencrypted laptops with full databases on them and gets hacked regularly you want to use Public Key encryption to allow people to vote from their phones that they lose all the time. Please share what ever you are it’s been a long week.
What’s your fear of a national standard on a physical ID?