6 dead, dying or obsolete handgun cartridges. An article by Field n Stream.

[justmax]

As for .32 acp it is a great small game rifle round. I wish I could find a rifle chambered for it instead of using a 308 and adapter.

I also have some of those adapters. Wish I could get more.

 

[justmax]

WELP time to make up a prototype and get to the patent office i guess.

dont worry, it will be EXPENSIVE
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for clarity, it will never happen, atleast by me, if i had that talent i would already have the .32 racoon gun

It's funny that you mentioned a "racoon gun". I keep a .32acp adapter with my 30-30 for just that reason.

 

[justmax]

I would bet that the 41 mag and 32 H&R Mag would maintain their cult following. The 45 Gap is already about gone. The rest on the list I think are here to stay.

 

[Alfarrell45]

Not exactly an authority on guns, Field n Stream has this article.

6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

Some of these cartridges began as a good idea—some were doomed from birth. But all of these old handgun cartridges are waning in popularity.

www.fieldandstream.com

Their list includes;
32 ACP
25 Auto
41 Mag
32 H&R Mag
40 S&W
45 Gap.

I would add 357 Sig at least. I like 41 mag but agree it's an unneeded compromise today.

What say you. I cant really disagree with their list except to say technology has ways of resurrecting the dead and tossing dirt in the face of the newest thing.


Love the 40 cal and have several of them. My favorites are CZ 75 and I have Two. Two I would add to your list is the Sig 357 and the 10 mm.

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[Hoji]

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Huh.

 

[Moonpie]

Imma gon haz to axe Jim Zumbo about this.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

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Welcome to the Forum!
I believe you left a bit off your post.

ETA: Nevermind.
I see your comment is in the body of the post you quoted.

 

[seeker_two]

Go with the 12. Get the Opsol adapter. Load 8+1 mini slugs or mini buckshot (1-3/4”) attach Crimson Trace green laser saddle.
You're welcome.

20ga is easier to find than minishells....

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[Hoji]

20ga is easier to find than minishells....

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For now. 12 is always easier to find than 20, and shooting full power slugs/buckshot out of a shockwave is not nasty at all.
I have had pretty good luck getting the minis direct from Federal.

 

[TxStetson]

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The 10 mm is more in demand now than it has ever been.

 

[cporfe]

I own guns in each of these calibers including the .357 Sig with the exception of the 45 GAP. I did own one Glock in that caliber but didn't like the "glock knuckle" that came with the recoil.

I expect these rounds will be around after I'm gone and another "expert" will claim they are dying. Just like the .32 S&W Long which has been "dead" for some time except I have 3 S&Ws and 1 Colt in this caliber and find shooting them (at 68) a very pleasant experience.

Just my thoughts.

 

[satx78247]

I own guns in each of these calibers including the .357 Sig with the exception of the 45 GAP. I did own one Glock in that caliber but didn't like the "glock knuckle" that came with the recoil.

I expect these rounds will be around after I'm gone and another "expert" will claim they are dying. Just like the .32 S&W Long which has been "dead" for some time except I have 3 S&Ws and 1 Colt in this caliber and find shooting them (at 68) a very pleasant experience.

Just my thoughts.

cporfe,

Fwiw, I suspect that articles like the article in F&S on "6 obsolete calibers" gives someone "something to do", "fills blank space on pages" & little more than that.

FYI, I've NOT even SEEN any handgun/ammo in .45 GAP in a long time, so it may be DEAD already.

yours, satx

 

[Axxe55]

A lot of magazines have gone to digital online subscriptions years ago. Cuts down on costs of actually writing, printing and mailing out a paper copy of the magazine. I think probably many magazines have maybe even gone completely an online digital media and stopped printing paper copies as well.

 

[zackmars]

The whole idea behind 10mm and .40 was flawed from the get-go, a knee-jerk reaction to a question that was not understood. Untill you are able to get hydrostatic shock, handguns just poke holes.

The FBI, who are responsible for the .40, had their thinking colored by the 1986 Miami shootout, failed to understand that when rifles are involved, no matter what pistol you have, you are at a major disadvantage.

A pistol can not be counted on to reliably incapacitate an attacker because lets say a rifle round hits someone, the shock of that round will destroy organs it will not physically touch. A handgun round has to hit an organ to damage it.

With larger rounds, you do get a slightly bigger bullet, and that also gives you a bit more wiggle room with lower quality hollow points.

But the downsides, cost, recoil, capacity.

Is it worth losing 1-3 rounds (depending on the gun), dealing with increased recoil, more expensive ammo, and fewer choices in firearms

 

[satx78247]

The whole idea behind 10mm and .40 was flawed from the get-go, a knee-jerk reaction to a question that was not understood. Untill you are able to get hydrostatic shock, handguns just poke holes.

The FBI, who are responsible for the .40, had their thinking colored by the 1986 Miami shootout, failed to understand that when rifles are involved, no matter what pistol you have, you are at a major disadvantage.

A pistol can not be counted on to reliably incapacitate an attacker because lets say a rifle round hits someone, the shock of that round will destroy organs it will not physically touch. A handgun round has to hit an organ to damage it.

With larger rounds, you do get a slightly bigger bullet, and that also gives you a bit more wiggle room with lower quality hollow points.

But the downsides, cost, recoil, capacity.

Is it worth losing 1-3 rounds (depending on the gun), dealing with increased recoil, more expensive ammo, and fewer choices in firearms

zackmars,

Inasmuch as you said that pistol bullets just "poke holes", are you saying that getting hit in the lungs with a .25ACP is really little/no different than being hit in the same lungs with a .45ACP??

FYI, I was shot with a "Baby Browning" in .25ACP in 1991 in South America & I didn't`
even know that I had been shot until a CPL in our Civil Guard company said, "Is that blood on your shirt, Commandante??"
(FYI, the creep that shot me quickly DoW, as he was hit in the K5 area with a 9x19mm 140 grain FMJ & passed away from shock/blood loss. = NO, I did NOT shoot him; instead a Civil Guard SGT did the deed, when the creep tried to shoot someone else.)

yours, satx

 

[zackmars]

zackmars,

Inasmuch as you said that pistol bullets just "poke holes", are you saying that getting hit in the lungs with a .25ACP is really little/no different than being hit in the same lungs with a .45ACP??

FYI, I was shot with a "Baby Browning" in .25ACP in 1991 in South America & I didn't`
even know that I had been shot until a CPL in our Civil Guard company said, "Is that blood on your shirt, Commandante??"
(FYI, the creep that shot me quickly DoW, as he was hit in the K5 area with a 9x19mm 140 grain FMJ & passed away from shock/blood loss .)

yours, satx

No, that is not what i am trying to say, though my post wasn't very well worded. You are looking at two extreme ends of the spectrum.

However, when it comes to "duty calibers", 9mm, .40, *10mm, .357 sig, .38spl, .45acp, and *357mag, the difference is near microscopic in terms of actual terminal performance.

*obviously 10mm and .357mag full house loads are different animals, as is .45 super

Mouse gun calibers are a different animal entirely, as you can not count on .22, .25acp, .32acp, or .380 hollow points to reliably expand and penetrate to acceptable depths

 

[satx78247]

No, that is not what i am trying to say, though my post wasn't very well worded. You are looking at two extreme ends of the spectrum.

However, when it comes to "duty calibers", 9mm, .40, *10mm, .357 sig, .38spl, .45acp, and *357mag, the difference is near microscopic in terms of actual terminal performance.

*obviously 10mm and .357mag full house loads are different animals, as is .45 super

Mouse gun calibers are a different animal entirely, as you can not count on .22, .25acp, .32acp, or .380 hollow points to reliably expand and penetrate to acceptable depths

zackmars,

From personal experience, I can assure you that I would NOT volunteer to be shot with a .25ACP again, as later that evening I was in "considerable pain" from being hit in the right armpit with the "mouse gun".

By the same token after over 30 years as a LEO & SEEING the immediate results of several shootings, any hit to the K5 area is HIGHLY LIKELY to STOP THE FIGHT QUICKLY, though there is NO question that a solid hit to the K5 with a .357 MAG, .40 S&W, .44 SPL, .45 ACP or a more powerful round is FAR MORE LIKELY to end the fight IMMEDIATELY than a similar hit with a 9x19mm, .38 SPL or another "lesser" caliber firearm will.
(FYI, that's why I have carried a Colt's GM in .45 ACP or .38 SUPER for over 3 decades, every day, rather than the Model 10 S&W in .38SPL that I owned/carried as a rookie lawman..)

yours, satx
USAMPR, Retired

 

[zackmars]

By the same token after over 30 years as a LEO & SEEING the immediate results of several shootings, any hit to the K5 area is HIGHLY LIKELY to STOP THE FIGHT QUICKLY, though there is NO question that a solid hit to the K5 with a .357 MAG, .40 S&W, .44 SPL, .45 ACP or a more powerful round is FAR MORE LIKELY to end the fight IMMEDIATELY than a similar hit with a 9x19mm, .38 SPL or another "lesser" caliber firearm will.

No argument here, though i think including .40 is a bit of a stretch.

.40 factory loadings just don't pack enough to bring it up to light magnum territory

The question i would ask, is one good hit from a .45 worth 2 good hits with a 9? That is an exaggeration, but there are a stupid amount of factors to take in when you are picking between any number of "acceptable" calibers. Ballistics is just one.

For me, my choice in caliber is driven more by the gun, and i suspect most others feel the same, and that's the big strength of 9mm, everyone makes guns in that caliber

 

[satx78247]

No argument here, though i think including .40 is a bit of a stretch.

.40 factory loadings just don't pack enough to bring it up to light magnum territory

The question i would ask, is one good hit from a .45 worth 2 good hits with a 9? That is an exaggeration, but there are a stupid amount of factors to take in when you are picking between any number of "acceptable" calibers. Ballistics is just one.

For me, my choice in caliber is driven more by the gun, and i suspect most others feel the same, and that's the big strength of 9mm, everyone makes guns in that caliber

zackmars,

As the nation where we will spend at least 5-6 months a year in PROHIBITS several calibers, including my FAVORED .45ACP, I'm going to EDC the .40S&W as loaded by BUFFALO BORE, as the .40 is LAWFUL for civilians/LEOs to carry.

yours, satx

 

[Axxe55]

No argument here, though i think including .40 is a bit of a stretch.

.40 factory loadings just don't pack enough to bring it up to light magnum territory

The question i would ask, is one good hit from a .45 worth 2 good hits with a 9? That is an exaggeration, but there are a stupid amount of factors to take in when you are picking between any number of "acceptable" calibers. Ballistics is just one.

For me, my choice in caliber is driven more by the gun, and i suspect most others feel the same, and that's the big strength of 9mm, everyone makes guns in that caliber

I put my top criteria choice in reliable ammo, first and foremost. Accuracy, expansion, and penetration take a back seat for me in comparison to ammo being reliable.

The other aspects are important factors, or features, as long s the ammo is reliable. But, I'd rather depend on reliable FMJ ammo, rather the the best super-duper JHP ammo that wasn't reliable. Ammo that fires each and every time, and hits the intended target, are much more important factors to me.