Another Warrantless Search and Arrest

[Major Kong]

I am happy to see that there are people out there that were as disgusted with this incident as I was. I suspected as much.

While this is an isolated incident, it should have never happened. I know that there are many good, honest, Constitution respecting LEO's out there, and I have the utmost respect and admiration for them.

One would think that at least ONE of those team members would have the nuts to stand up and say, "Wait a second, this action we are about to undertake, totally undermines what makes this country great, and violates the everything we stand for."

Sent from an undisclosed location.

 

[ROGER4314]

While this is an isolated incident..........

You raise an excellent point. Just as we see shootings in our nation almost every day, with over 300 MILLION people, there are bound to be loose cannons out there. That is a fact of life and having a pinpoint focus on only those few, leaves us with a distorted image of what our population is really like. To pass judgement on all LEO's based on the actions of a few knot heads is just wrong!

Let's not be guilty of this typical Liberal vision issue. There are plenty of GOOD, hard working and responsible LEO's who look after the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are good stewards in preservation of our rights. That does NOT mean that we should ever let this abortion of an operation go unpunished. HEADS SHOULD ROLL!

Flash

 

[jrbfishn]

Part of the prblem is, when given the choice, too many cover and make excuses for not punishing the bad ones. Once the choice is made it gets easier each time.


Sent by a idjit coffeeholic

 

[MPA1988]

Based on the information contained in this article, no professional LEO would defend this conduct. As I have said many times, in my career I have investigated or requested an investigation based on possible LE misconduct. I can pretty much guarantee disciplinary action will take place for LEO in charge of this event.

But, allow me to give some advice to the militia group thinkers, "shoot the badge" type comments are juvenile, childish, and quite frankly stupid. You would be no match against special weapons and tactical teams, and most LEOs in general, since most of the CC community is inexperienced and untrained. I know the militia group think testosterone gets aggravated easily, but be sensible. You "ain't" no match against the professionals.

The appropriate way to deal with this abuse of authority is through the legal system and I am glad to see that is what the victims are attempting to do. I think the victims realized John Wayne is dead.

 

[Younggun]

Starvation is the key to victory folks. Don't take the bait.

 

[MPA1988]

Starvation is the key to victory folks. Don't take the bait.

Wise counsel, particularly when there is no argument with my position. But, you can continue to call me a troll which is the extent of any victory you can achieve. Lol

 

[bones_708]

I would also say there are two distinct and different issues that people seem to be lumping together. One is the search and arrest on the wrong address. This is not a constitutional issue it's a mistake. Whether bad policy, lack of guidelines, or just a stupid decision, while I think action should be taken for the screw up it just is not a constitutional issue.

Now the second part is the warrantless entry and arrest of the suspect the cops were after in the first place. I haven't been able to find much info except for a couple of buzz words clipped out of police statements and thrown out without context but I do know that the local police were concerned enough to call in a tcac team from the next town over. We are given no real info so judging the reasonability or constitutionality of the police actions are impossible at this time but I'm sure the courts will look at it. In this case all the press will hopefully make sure it gets a thorough examination.

 

[breakingcontact]

Starvation is the key to victory folks. Don't take the bait.

I started to write and deleted it. So..much to...correct.

 

[breakingcontact]

Our legal system is broken. Adjust accordingly. I think a lot of crackers like me didnt see it because we didnt feel it. First, minorities get pushed around and have their rights abused and many people where I come from look at it like "well, they probably did something, else the cops wouldn't be there." Or when guns or drugs are planted on blacks to mark a charge stick, we viewed it as the cops doing what they have to to get the criminals, because they know who is guilty they just cant catch them fairly. When cops would do illegal searches or deny people their civil rights w in interviews or interrogation, it was viewed as "that ugly part of police work that is what it takes to get the convictions". Part of this, the racial element has changed as many areas have become more diverse and less segregated. This stuff always went on in the "other neighborhoods" but now with mixed communities it is happening everywhere and is more visible now as it is happening to "my" people.

Shame on our mass (white dominated) culture for turning an eye to police abuse and brutality and civil rights denials because it was happening to "them" and not "us".

Now militarized police have become emboldened and you just might get a flash bang through your window tonight because they have created a new "them" vs "us" dynamic.

How to make this better? Spread the word and resist the abuse. Beyond that the key to improving our communities is maintaining strong families and building real tight knit communities where this sort of thing doesnt happen to "them" because we are all one and care about each other and not just ourselves.

 

[Sapper740]

Starvation is the key to victory folks. Don't take the bait.

+1

 

[MPA1988]

Our legal system is broken. Adjust accordingly. I think a lot of crackers like me didnt see it because we didnt feel it. First, minorities get pushed around and have their rights abused and many people where I come from look at it like "well, they probably did something, else the cops wouldn't be there." Or when guns or drugs are planted on blacks to mark a charge stick, we viewed it as the cops doing what they have to to get the criminals, because they know who is guilty they just cant catch them fairly. When cops would do illegal searches or deny people their civil rights w in interviews or interrogation, it was viewed as "that ugly part of police work that is what it takes to get the convictions". Part of this, the racial element has changed as many areas have become more diverse and less segregated. This stuff always went on in the "other neighborhoods" but now with mixed communities it is happening everywhere and is more visible now as it is happening to "my" people.

Shame on our mass (white dominated) culture for turning an eye to police abuse and brutality and civil rights denials because it was happening to "them" and not "us".

Now militarized police have become emboldened and you just might get a flash bang through your window tonight because they have created a new "them" vs "us" dynamic.

How to make this better? Spread the word and resist the abuse. Beyond that the key to improving our communities is maintaining strong families and building real tight knit communities where this sort of thing doesnt happen to "them" because we are all one and care about each other and not just ourselves.

No one dislikes abuse by LE more than I. For every event where abuse occurs, there are countless events where lives were saved, and property secured. Take your victim glasses off and grow some cajones for pete's sake, and quit lumping all of LE together because of "bad apples" that have always existed and will continue to exist because cops are human just like you.

 

[Sapper740]

A large part of the problem with many LEOs' cavalier attitude to our rights under the constitution today is the fact that one of the prerequisites to a career in law enforcement is having at least an Associate's degree. That means spending time in a Liberal indoctrination zone which is what the majority of our colleges are today. I doubt respect for the Constitution of the United States of America is high on many professors' priority lists. Couple that with lots of toys provided by the Feds to city SWAT teams and a general sense of lawlessness permeating the country from the top and it's no surprise we have a Yippee-Ky-Yay M-Fer! attitude from so many LEO's. It's going to take a few of them getting killed executing no-knock warrantless searches before they're forced to abide by the constitution again.

 

[Charlie]

No one dislikes abuse by LE more than I. For every event where abuse occurs, there are countless events where lives were saved, and property secured. Take your victim glasses off and grow some cajones for pete's sake, and quit lumping all of LE together because of "bad apples" that have always existed and will continue to exist because cops are human just like you.

Allow me to use some of your mindset. Maybe you sir should, "....Take your 'holier than thou, always right' glasses off and grow some 'commom sense' for pete's sake, and quit lumping all 'non' LE together because of "bad apples" that have always existed and will continue to exist because cops 'and average law abiding citizen' are human just like you.

 

[MPA1988]

A large part of the problem with many LEOs' cavalier attitude to our rights under the constitution today is the fact that one of the prerequisites to a career in law enforcement is having at least an Associate's degree. That means spending time in a Liberal indoctrination zone which is what the majority of our colleges are today. I doubt respect for the Constitution of the United States of America is high on many professors' priority lists. Couple that with lots of toys provided by the Feds to city SWAT teams and a general sense of lawlessness permeating the country from the top and it's no surprise we have a Yippee-Ky-Yay M-Fer! attitude from so many LEO's. It's going to take a few of them getting killed executing no-knock warrantless searches before they're forced to abide by the constitution again.

Militia "group think" at its finest. Beam me up Scotty....lol

 

[ROGER4314]

The appropriate way to deal with this abuse of authority is through the legal system and I am glad to see that is what the victims are attempting to do. I think the victims realized John Wayne is dead.

I worked for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) in the prison units and kept a detailed audio diary of every day that I worked inside the walls. That audio diary has been transcribed and was the foundation of a book that I was preparing about the prison system.

About midway through, I had to make a decision. TDCJ is one of the most deceitful organizations on the planet. The organization ranks right up with Obama in lack of credibility. TDCJ is adept in changing reality and routinely alters history to suit itself. I knew that writing that expose' would be met with shuffling of the cards until the story covered TDCJ's collective asses. I could only write that story as a work of FICTION. Any other option is muzzled. That's the way I see what you propose in solving abuse of our rights by LEO's would be handled..............by trickery and deceit! Anything short of death can be erased. Once blood is spilled, it becomes a different situation.

I believe that your suggestion is fruitless and I respectfully disagree with it. Unless death is involved, the story will be snuffed and ignored.

I have heard this spoken.....it is NOT my position nor do I necessarily agree with this. Perhaps the objective for an armed response to warrantless home invasion is NOT survival! Perhaps, a person who espouses that opinion would simply be satisfied with taking some of the bastards with him/her!

At an Appleseed function, the story was told about a very old and sickly landowner who knew the Redcoats were approaching his home. His servants propped him up with his rifles and as the enemy drew near, he opened fire. Of course, he was finally killed but history remembers him as a hero and patriot over two hundred years later. Had he simply submitted to their superior force, he would have been long forgotten like the Jews who obediently lined up for their turn in the ovens.

Liberty is replenished by the blood of patriots who yell "NO, BY GOD...........NO MORE!"

Flash

 

[Younggun]

Just had to feed him, didn't ya.

 

[dustycorgill]

LMAO.....Flash, you are the shit.

 

[Sapper740]

In my industry we maintain electrical equipment from 13KV all the way down to 120V and safety is of the utmost importance. It has to be or people don't go home intact at the end of the day. We spend hours with a team of Engineers, managers, ESH (Environmental Safety and Health) personnel and technicians working on Switching Orders, MOPs (Method of Preocedure), and JHAs (Job Hazard Analysis) so that the job goes smoothly and safely. When you sign off on any portion of this process you own it and there are dire consequences if you screw up. I've seen people escorted off the site by security after they were fired for incompetence and that is as it should be when people's lives are on the line. So I ask this: is there a system of checks and balances in the law enforcement world that mimics the stringent requirements in my industry? Why aren't the people in authority who sign off on these warrantless searches that go wrong immediately forced to hand in their badge and kicked off the force?

 

[breakingcontact]

Liberty is replenished by the blood of patriots who yell "NO, BY GOD...........NO MORE!"

You can only push a free man so far, which is why our gov is bent on creating statist slaves.

Are our rights really going to last if we aren't willing to defend them?

 

[breakingcontact]

In my industry we maintain electrical equipment from 13KV all the way down to 120V and safety is of the utmost importance. It has to be or people don't go home intact at the end of the day. We spend hours with a team of Engineers, managers, ESH (Environmental Safety and Health) personnel and technicians working on Switching Orders, MOPs (Method of Preocedure), and JHAs (Job Hazard Analysis) so that the job goes smoothly and safely. When you sign off on any portion of this process you own it and there are dire consequences if you screw up. I've seen people escorted off the site by security after they were fired for incompetence and that is as it should be when people's lives are on the line. So I ask this: is there a system of checks and balances in the law enforcement world that mimics the stringent requirements in my industry? Why aren't the people in authority who sign off on these warrantless searches that go wrong immediately forced to hand in their badge and kicked off the force?

Who investigates police misconduct and has authority over punishment? It is very similar to how lawyers govern each other. Broken system. But the more broke it is the more justification for a bigger system. Brilliant if it wasn't so morally abhorrent.