ARMY Officer wants your guns from your "Cold Dead Hands"

[karlac]

Regardless of "rights", the standard once held to, by virtue of being a commissioned officer, and with regard to public utterance, was succinctly stated this way: "Matters of personal view are personal and should be kept that way".

Not that it has always been followed, but you did so at your own peril. That may no longer be the case.

 

[Vaquero]

Haven't "we" been firing military officers for speaking their minds publicly?
Seems I recall several earlier this year.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/list-of-names-military-purge-high-officers-terrifying/
there it is. I havent checked the article for accuracy.

 

[Sapper740]

Here's my response to Esquire magazine's article: From this Light Chicken's diatribe you'd think he'd also ban SCOTUS for interpreting the 2nd Amendment in favor of freedom and Liberty. Did he disagree with SCOTUS' interpretation of the penalties under Obamacare as "taxes? Probably not. You can't have it both ways Col., you accept SCOTUS' decisions, good or bad, like the rest of us. Another point Col., you compare our murder rate to Great Britain's suggesting that their lower murder rate can all be ascribed to more restrictive gun laws. Here's a stat for you to choke on: South Africa's 2012 murder rate was 31.3/ 100,000 compared to 4.7/100,000 for the U.S.. South Africa has had some of the most stringent Gun Control in the world, as well as the great Nelson Mandela to lead them, how has that worked out for them? If you want to look a little close to home, Detroit, with some of America's toughest gun laws had a murder rate of 54.6/100,000 n 2012! How do you explain that Col.?

 

[Sapper740]

Haven't "we" been firing military officers for speaking their minds publicly?
Seems I recall several earlier this year.
LIST OF NAMES ? Military Purge High Officers ? Terrifying | InvestmentWatch
there it is. I havent checked the article for accuracy.

Stalin purged his military too.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Regardless of "rights", the standard once held to, by virtue of being a commissioned officer, and with regard to public utterance, was succinctly stated this way: "Matters of personal view are personal and should be kept that way".

Not that it has always been followed, but you did so at your own peril. That may no longer be the case.

I agree. The majority of my friends and family are either current or former officers. Some are enlisted as well. The active ones may express themselves in private but would never publish something like that, or even post something on Facebook. It's over the line and unprofessional.

 

[rsayloriii]

Just one person's opinion, that's all.

And just because he's an Army officer doesn't make him an expert on the subject. Far from it.

Don't forget what the First Amendment protects.

I agree it's his opinion, and he's entitled to such, and protected under the 1st Amendment. HOWEVER, the problem is when that person influences another person, which influences another, and so on and they start to encroach and trample on our other rights. They can have whatever opinion they want, so long as they don't affect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. What these people don't get is that, as referenced in the article several times, is that it isn't about "hunting". It's about protecting oneself from anybody else, including the government.

"[FONT=arial,helvetica] And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. [FONT=arial,helvetica]The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."[/FONT][/FONT] - Thomas Jefferson

[FONT=arial,helvetica]"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
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[breakingcontact]

The military has been radicalized and brought into the socialist fold. When i was in...not that long ago, it was a very welcome place for Christians. Now active Christians are being persecuted and driven out.

This is why i dont get mil/LE worship. Honor and respect the guy who dies saving 10 buddies in battle or the LEO who goes out of his way to save his partners life but dont believe that the military or law enforcement agencies arent political tools being sharpened to be used against us.

 

[karlac]

Honor and respect the guy who dies saving 10 buddies in battle or the LEO who goes out of his way to save his partners life but dont believe that the military or law enforcement agencies arent political tools being sharpened to be used against us.

And look no further for proof of that than the rationale behind putting an MRAP in the arsenal of "campus" police.

 

[Edwarethered]

From the article "6. The major gun manufactures of the United States, less those who create weapons for the federal government and the armed forces, will be bought out by the United States of America, for our own damned good."
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a violation of damn near every regulation we have that is designed to promote competition in the market place? So not only is this rant totally against individual freedom, but also totally for promoting a socialist economy? This all feels a little too "Peoples Democratic Republic of" to me.

 

[London]

He'd better send people willing to risk death to take my guns, because I'm sure going to be using them one last time.

 

[Younggun]

He'd better send people willing to risk death to take my guns, because I'm sure going to be using them one last time.

That is actually fairly common. As in, every ATF raid or every time any LEA does a raid for any kind of illegal weapons.

 

[Younggun]

I agree it's his opinion, and he's entitled to such, and protected under the 1st Amendment. HOWEVER, the problem is when that person influences another person, which influences another, and so on and they start to encroach and trample on our other rights. They can have whatever opinion they want, so long as they don't affect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. What these people don't get is that, as referenced in the article several times, is that it isn't about "hunting". It's about protecting oneself from anybody else, including the government.

"[FONT=arial,helvetica] And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. [FONT=arial,helvetica]The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."[/FONT][/FONT] - Thomas Jefferson

[FONT=arial,helvetica]"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
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The act of "encroaching on rights" is wrong, but the entire point of the 1st amendment is to be able to spread ideas. To say its wrong to use it as a tool of influence completely negates the amendment itself.

 

[rsayloriii]

The act of "encroaching on rights" is wrong, but the entire point of the 1st amendment is to be able to spread ideas. To say its wrong to use it as a tool of influence completely negates the amendment itself.

Not saying it can't or shouldn't be used. After all, that's what we use when we try to "enlighten" those about their rights. The problem is when they use it to bastardize the Constitution to fit them and strip away the rights of others. Just look at what Obama and his cronies are doing with healthcare. They've said it's good for "us" but not for them and if you're buddy buddy with him, you get a pass. Look at what they've done with the 1st Amendment, it covers all of today's advances (email, text, etc) but yet the 2nd is ONLY supposed to cover muskets, and the Army. It's perverting it to serve them and only them that I have a problem with.

 

[Younggun]

That's why it's important to use it ourselves.


It sucks, but that's the cost if real freedom. Someone will use it in a stupid or dishonest way. And yes, libs like to pick and choose which parts of the constitution and BORs are outdated and which aren't, usually in a way that works to their benefit.

 

[dustycorgill]

"[FONT=arial,helvetica] And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. [FONT=arial,helvetica]The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."[/FONT][/FONT] - Thomas Jefferson

[FONT=arial,helvetica]"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
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This right here says it all. Thats all we need to know. Screw what anyone else says or what they think now a days.

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[GPtwins]

My suggestion, hold a .45acp to the mans head. Give hi, a bolt action rifle and five rounds. Tell him to kill a deer with just those five rounds or I will shoot him in the head. If he cannot do it, he obviously does not deserve to live.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

From the article "6. The major gun manufactures of the United States, less those who create weapons for the federal government and the armed forces, will be bought out by the United States of America, for our own damned good."
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a violation of damn near every regulation we have that is designed to promote competition in the market place? So not only is this rant totally against individual freedom, but also totally for promoting a socialist economy? This all feels a little too "Peoples Democratic Republic of" to me.

Yes that's the definition of nationalization. It's a socialist/communist action and disallowed in America.

 

[breakingcontact]

Yes that's the definition of nationalization. It's a socialist/communist action and disallowed in America.

GM bailout? ADM subsidies? TVA?

 

[Southpaw]

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[majormadmax]

I agree it's his opinion, and he's entitled to such, and protected under the 1st Amendment. HOWEVER, the problem is when that person influences another person, which influences another, and so on and they start to encroach and trample on our other rights. They can have whatever opinion they want, so long as they don't affect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. What these people don't get is that, as referenced in the article several times, is that it isn't about "hunting". It's about protecting oneself from anybody else, including the government.

It is one Army officer's opinion, and I can assure you that it is not shared with the vast majority of military personnel I know and/or work with.

If anything, I have found there is an overwhelming support for the Second Amendment by those in uniform, be it military or law enforcement.

Don't get all wrapped up about one person spouting his opinion. He has every right to, no matter how much we may disagree with it. I personally chose to simply ignore it...