Article: Friends Don't Let Friends Open Carry

[Kingarthur777]

K777,

If you truly are in L.E., you sound like one of the a 'gun for me, but not thee' types, again if you truly are in L.E. which I've come to doubt.

Given the slant of your posts, I'm beginning to see the slow unveiling of a stealth anti-gun type.

Most who don't OC, but are Licensed To Carry, have no problem with their fellow LTCers' who care to OC and wouldn't dream of giving them grief whether they CC or OC. Sure, they have their preferences, but don't condemn others for OCing even when they don't take advantage of this type carry.

Your 'anti-OC opinion' isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

In addition, acting like a fiction writing 'drama queen' which doesn't lend you credibility.

You are guessing wrong all the way around. If your guesses were a vacuum we would have drained the swamp on day one of the current Administration.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

A friend of mine, a West Point graduate and one time Ranger Major, always mowed with his pistol on his side as do I now, however I keep mine in a rectangular, zippered pack on my belt with a fully loaded spare magazine.

Why do I not obviously OC it? (Not because I worry about my neighbors panicking were they to see me OCing, as they're all gun people too)

Because of all the crud in the air when I mow. I like to keep my pistol clean as is possible and it only takes a moment to unzip..if need arises.

In fact, there's so much air borne debris as I mow, I wear a surgeon's type mask. Breathing in all those particulates isn't great for one's lungs.

 

[Renegade]

Back on topic, I've never been a big fan of Mattis' "have a plan to kill everyone you meet" quote; but I understand it because I know the context behind it. It's a mantra for those in combat environment, which the vast majority of us don't encounter on a daily basis. A more apt mindset will be to maintain situational awareness and identify any threats and vulnerabilities that may pop up. That's simple risk management, make right decisions to mitigate any threats that you may confront.

It predates Mattis by decades. I have no idea of the origin, but I first heard it in the 70s as a Boy Scout, as an off shoot to the "Be Prepared" Motto. All about situation awareness and thinking outside the box.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

K777,

Yeah, buddy..I see you are one of the a 'gun for me, but not thee' types as you carefully avoided mentioning that particular point. Well, too bad. I'll bet you frown and grind your teeth all day long..

If ever you were L.E. (doubtful) your frustration seeing 'mere civilians' legally able to carry has got to be a tremendous burden for your ego.

Get over it.

That's nothing you can do about it. (You aren't king of the world)

Well, sure you can do something if whining counts as something..

Nah, it doesn't..

 

[jrbfishn]

The people calling in complaints for an activity that is legal should be prosecuted for filing a false report. Doesn't mean open carry is bad.
Lots of people get attacked and beaten or killed every day. Not just LE. I have been attacked by a mob before. Shot at too. Doesn't mean I think everyone is out to get me. Doesn't scare me to see a gun either.
The main reasons I open carry most of the time? I don't have to change my wardrobe and it is easier to get to if I need it.
The same reasons LE and military open carry most of the time.

from an idjit coffeeholic

 

[Kingarthur777]

The people calling in complaints for an activity that is legal should be prosecuted for filing a false report. Doesn't mean open carry is bad.
Lots of people get attacked and beaten or killed every day. Not just LE. I have been attacked by a mob before. Shot at too. Doesn't mean I think everyone is out to get me. Doesn't scare me to see a gun either.
The main reasons I open carry most of the time? I don't have to change my wardrobe and it is easier to get to if I need it.
The same reasons LE and military open carry most of the time.

from an idjit coffeeholic

I agree with you. You are legally allowed to OC with an LTC. I don't think it is the best idea. Liberals live in every big city, and would love to call in a false report of a man brandishing a gun, to put forward their Anti-2A. agenda. Did you know in NM you can open carry IF you don't have a CCL. One guy didn't get one and showed up to my father's church one Shabbat, and a black guy in the congregation stated that he felt threatened, quit and made a formal complaint. A friend of mine from University went to the movie theater wearing his 1911 OC, one of the theater patrons call the police complaining about an armed man in the movie theater. The APD and theater manager took him out of the theater.

Now, if the OC guy in that NM Church had a concealed weapon the liberal black guy with BLM tendencies wouldn't have even noticed nor threw a fit, left, and made a formal complaint. My buddy would never have been escorted with his wife outside the movie they were watching by APD and the theater manager. He liked his Ed Brown 1911, and I don't blame him.

But, all this crap of Liberals wanting to throw gun owners under the bus, could have simply been avoided by concealed carry.

 

[zincwarrior]

I love being right.




We OC in the very Libby Houston Montrose district, also Libby Rice Village, quite often. No prob.

Huh, that's educational. Thanks!

 

[Charlie]

I agree with you. You are legally allowed to OC with an LTC. I don't think it is the best idea. Liberals live in every big city, and would love to call in a false report of a man brandishing a gun, to put forward their Anti-2A. agenda. Did you know in NM you can open carry IF you don't have a CCL. One guy didn't get one and showed up to my father's church one Shabbat, and a black guy in the congregation stated that he felt threatened, quit and made a formal complaint. A friend of mine from University went to the movie theater wearing his 1911 OC, one of the theater patrons call the police complaining about an armed man in the movie theater. The APD and theater manager took him out of the theater.

Now, if the OC guy in that NM Church had a concealed weapon the liberal black guy with BLM tendencies wouldn't have even noticed nor threw a fit, left, and made a formal complaint. My buddy would never have been escorted with his wife outside the movie they were watching by APD and the theater manager. He liked his Ed Brown 1911, and I don't blame him.

But, all this crap of Liberals wanting to throw gun owners under the bus, could have simply been avoided by concealed carry.

He should have sued the theater.

 

[Kingarthur777]

He should have sued the theater.

Do you know how long law suits take? Then you have to hire an attorney, the theater attorneys will come down and claim it is their policy not to allow OC in their theaters. You will be in front of a Liberal NM Judge, and guess who will win and pay court costs?

Just to give you an idea how long law suits take, even in Texas? On April 13, 2001 at around 0230 my partner and I watched an 18 year old girl who got drunk in Mexico (where if you can reach the counter you can drink), but was worried about getting home to Encinal before mom and dad's curfew blasted by our vehicle on I-35 like we were standing still. Then she turned into a huge fireball that lit of the night sky like it was day. We hauled ass to the scene. She had launched off of I-35N down the access road, and struck a tour bus with such force, she knocked it on its side, while her vehicle was upside and exploding. The diesel (and it surprised me too), of the bus began to burn. My partner and I pulled out all 37 passengers before the bus blew up too. There was a broken collar bone, a guy lost an ear, and she was, well, nothing but a top of a charred skull, and a femur bone by the time day broke.

In 2005, while I was in Albuquerque, NM, I received a summons from the attorney's from the survivors, as they were suing everyone. They wanted to sue the family of the girl, they wanted to sue us for injuries sustained in their rescue. My only saving grace was to tell them not only no, but hell no. I could not be compelled as a Senior Special Agent to go back to Laredo and be made to be part of a law suit in another State.

 

[Charlie]

So you are advocating anyone wanting anything to do with a gun basically should just stay home and hide? Even though the law supports them and is clear on what is legal and illegal? Yes I know how long lawsuits take and who pays for them. Doesn't mean shit if you are within the law. Give it up, sir. Or go argue with a fence post.

 

[easy rider]

I agree with you. You are legally allowed to OC with an LTC. I don't think it is the best idea. Liberals live in every big city, and would love to call in a false report of a man brandishing a gun, to put forward their Anti-2A. agenda. Did you know in NM you can open carry IF you don't have a CCL. One guy didn't get one and showed up to my father's church one Shabbat, and a black guy in the congregation stated that he felt threatened, quit and made a formal complaint. A friend of mine from University went to the movie theater wearing his 1911 OC, one of the theater patrons call the police complaining about an armed man in the movie theater. The APD and theater manager took him out of the theater.

Now, if the OC guy in that NM Church had a concealed weapon the liberal black guy with BLM tendencies wouldn't have even noticed nor threw a fit, left, and made a formal complaint. My buddy would never have been escorted with his wife outside the movie they were watching by APD and the theater manager. He liked his Ed Brown 1911, and I don't blame him.

But, all this crap of Liberals wanting to throw gun owners under the bus, could have simply been avoided by concealed carry.

First off, as others have pointed out, you don't need an LTC to open carry on your own property or someone else's if it's allowed by the owner, whether you are mowing or not. Second, it's unfortunate that your friend was escorted out of the theater, but the police shouldn't have been involved, unless either he was doing something illegal, or he refused to leave, if and when he was asked to leave.

 

[bigwheel]

It's the neighbors that are crazy! Are you pissed off at the mower or the neighbors? I always carry OC or CC when I mow because of the snakes and critters that inhabit my small acreage. Sounds like you are complaining about the mowing guy 'cause you had to write a report (gasp!). I'd think visiting with the neighbors might have helped that situation.

Yes..writing reports is a pain in the rectum.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

K777,

There's no "brandishing law" in the state of Texas.

Even more doubt cast on your supposed L.E. background or you'd know that.

Whether you agree or disagree, good people will do what's within the scope of the law if they have choices..and they do, no matter how much you bark and growl.

Your meager efforts are trying to create doubt about OCing is very odd.

Control freak much?

 

[Kingarthur777]

So you are advocating anyone wanting anything to do with a gun basically should just stay home and hide? Even though the law supports them and is clear on what is legal and illegal? Yes I know how long lawsuits take and who pays for them. Doesn't mean shit if you are within the law. Give it up, sir. Or go argue with a fence post.

No. I carry mine concealed, unless I am hunting or at a range. I am not arguing anything at all. I am simply explaining there are always consequences to decisions. So, turn out okay and stay okay. Like the fat lady in the rain storm, thought she would saunter across four lanes of traffic like it was a sidewalk. She wasn't a fatality today, but tomorrow, she might be. You have every right to open carry wherever an official State Sign doesn't prohibit you. Today, tomorrow, it might be great. The next day you might meet up with a BLM or Liberal Earth Mother. You will be arrested, and hope the District Attorney is on your side, or you will be held until you can pay your bond, and appear with probably an Court appointed attorney (a real one will drain you quicker than you think), and prove to a jury of "peers" where the supposed offense was committed, that you did not commit felonious assault. If you are convicted, you lose your right to vote or have a firearm. All of this can be avoided by concealed carry.

That is why I said sometimes common sense isn't so common. The fat lady can continue to saunter across the highway in bad weather and she may never become a road pizza. Then again, she might. However, if she didn't do that, the odds of her becoming a road kill become astronomically less. You can open carry and it might never put you in a bad position. Then again, the odds are astronomically less, if you conceal carry.

You have the right to OC or Conceal Carry with an LTC. Your choice is your choice. If it ends up in an unpleasant situation because of that choice, it just does.

As I have said before, I am more of a Libertarian. I am pissed off enough at the antics of the Democrats I am going Straight Republican ticket this time.

Personally, I think the 2A should not be infringed as it is. I think, if I want to carry an SBR with a fun switch, I should be able to, and so should you.

Unfortunately, we live in a shitty world, with people who have shitty intentions. The 4th Amendment was killed by the Patriot Act, and expanded on by Obama. What I am typing now, and what you are typing now, is being stored in a huge data center by the NSA, and every cell phone activity as well. So, we no longer have any freedom in what we do, because Big Brother is always monitoring.

The First Amendment died with Obama too. Instead of the pictures you get of all the top dogs, we had an Obama campaign poster in our office. A guy took it down, as it violated the Hatch Act and was reprimanded for taking "Government Property" I had my very own office, and I had an Obama poster that said, "Gun Salesman of the Year." I was told to take that down, because it was considered inappropriate. The 14th Amendment is dead. The last time the Government Shut Down, Congress and the President paid themselves. However, the Military and Law Enforcement were compelled to go to work without pay, and the possibility of never being paid. That is Government slavery.

Our rights are continually being eroded. And the Left are doing their best to make sure you can't even have dinner without having a mob converge on you, if they don't agree with you, or beat up old people in Portland.

 

[Kingarthur777]

K777,

There's no "brandishing law" in the state of Texas.

Even more doubt cast on your supposed L.E. background or you'd know that.

Whether you agree or disagree, good people will do what's within the scope of the law if they have choices..and they do, no matter how much you bark and growl.

Your meager efforts are trying to create doubt about OCing is very odd.

Control freak much?

So, if I pull a gun on you, point it at you without cause that is not considered felonious assault? I have seen plenty of people arrested for doing just that in road rage incidents. And by the way, I was Federal, not State, if you have been, well, reading.

 

[oldag]

OC or CC. Make your own choice. Accept responsibility for the consequences (if any) of that choice.

 

[Charlie]

Just having been in law enforcement does not necessarily mean you are an expert. I've known several law enforcement officers as friends and neighbors, etc. The majority of them were upstanding individuals. Some were not. Their job is to "enforce" the laws, not to decide if the law is right or wrong.

 

[majormadmax]

It predates Mattis by decades. I have no idea of the origin, but I first heard it in the 70s as a Boy Scout, as an off shoot to the "Be Prepared" Motto. All about situation awareness and thinking outside the box.

I know, it's just that it is most commonly attributed to him these days...

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

K777,

You posted: "I am simply explaining there are always consequences to decisions" - Do tell..

Thank you, oh thank you, because without your wise patrician counsel where would we plebeians be?

(you continue to stumble - showing both contempt and pomposity as persuasion isn't a recommended stratagem, unless appearing a 'shallow know-it-all' is your goal)

You went from 'Brandishing',got caught being wrong about the law and tried to back pedal promptly dropping 'Brandishing' to switch to felonious assault.

Caught red handed..

Give it up.

You're an imposter.

No doubt, anti-gun..

 

[easy rider]

Going outside when it's raining you take the chance of being hit by lightening, does that mean you never see the rain?