Balch police officer guilty of murder

[busykngt]

Interesting to me that Hollywood comes along with a Fall TV lineup that includes a new “FBI series” right at the time the FBI’s reputation and respect with the public is at an all time low. I guess Hollywood is trying to help patch up the FBI’s image in light of their leadership failures.

 

[dfwpi]

I knew the officer.

Also, will say from reviewing hundreds and hundreds of those sort of videos, sometimes what the mind comprehends is different than whats on video.

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[toddnjoyce]

...Cops say they are the only thing that keeps society civilized, and yet crime has dropped across the entire nation in the last three decades despite vastly different approaches to policing in many cities. Maybe cops aren't as important as they think they are for societal function after all.

Lack of a policing function doesn’t result in anarchy, it results in tyranny. Whether it’s government or criminal in nature, it’s tyranny.

Just for kicks and giggles, have you ever been to a place where there was no policing function?

I have.

I’ve read your posts on this site, and most of them indicate you’re either highly experienced in foreign policy and national interest programs or highly opinionated about them.

I know what my guess is.

 

[SloppyShooter]

They don't want cops or policing in the ghettos. That's working for them, and mo powa to 'em. No riots, no news media, no poleece brutality. ..just one less bad guy, taken out by 4 mo in a drive by. Excellent model for law enforcement .

Too bad we all can't do that, just get rid of the cops all together!!!! We know who needs to be punished ,and we are perfect in our administration of enforcement , laws be damned.....get a rope boys....drinks are on me.

BTW, Just got a call for law enforcement donation. ...ummmmn , yeah....take a hike, CROOK!

 

[dmancornell]

Your idea of how that happened is your opinion. IF it happened the way you said it did, they would bring charges against the trooper and they did not.
As for cops never admitting when other cops do stuff wrong, again, that is your opinion. Nowhere in this thread did you see me post the Balch Springs officer was correct. Nowadays there is no thin blue line and I find it laughable you think a police association can bribe a DA.
As for quitting my job, no worries the black Democrat DA let me go years ago. Left for corporate America and love it.
Once again, people have to take what you say in regards to LE with a grain of salt since you lack experience in that. Hell, I asked if you were a defense attorney in another thread and you wouldn't even answer that.
I need to put you on the ignore list. I still maintain it would be interesting having a margarita with you cuz you are jacked up.

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Under what obligation would the DA bring charges against Samantha Ramsey's killer if things did indeed occur as I described, as in, the scenario supported by the camera footage, the forensic evidence, the testimony of multiple witnesses, and the failure of the police to provide a shred of evidence other than the word of a cop to back their claims? Professionalism? Moral courage? He can do as he pleases. It's called prosecutorial discretion. The police union openly donated money to the campaign of the new DA who failed to deliver an indictment. If that is not bribery, what is it?

Frankly your experience as a cop is absolutely irrelevant. This is a legal issue, and cops are not lawyers. It's like saying you need to be a doctor to criticize Obamacare.

 

[SloppyShooter]

Under what obligation would the DA bring charges against Samantha Ramsey's killer if things did indeed occur as I described, as in, the scenario supported by the camera footage, the forensic evidence, the testimony of multiple witnesses, and the failure of the police to provide a shred of evidence other than the word of a cop to back their claims? Professionalism? Moral courage? He can do as he pleases. It's called prosecutorial discretion. The police union openly donated money to the campaign of the new DA who failed to deliver an indictment? If that is not bribery, what is it?

Frankly your experience as a cop is absolutely irrelevant. This is a legal issue, and cops are not lawyers. It's like saying you need to be a doctor to criticize Obamacare.

First off....I don't know crap about the case you are hanging your hat on. Frankly , I could care less. Legal issue? Facts? Where are you getting these "facts"? What is legally known as heresay, from liberal media that are far from fair and objective and have a horse in the race to stir up controversy for selfish reasons.

But, again , that's not what bothers me. It's your disrespect for the men and women protecting your butt. It's like stomping on the flag, burning it, then peeing on it. Slapping your foster parents in the face.

Your comments and attitude go past that one case.

Turnabout is fair play....if an officer hesitated out of fear of retribution for poor judgment in a spur of the moment decision, and the perp killed one of your loved ones , would you be so happy and righteous?

I respect your right to any opinion , but don't care for your skewed , borderline insane opinion of LEOs in general .

 

[dmancornell]

Lack of a policing function doesn’t result in anarchy, it results in tyranny. Whether it’s government or criminal in nature, it’s tyranny.

Just for kicks and giggles, have you ever been to a place where there was no policing function?

I have.

I’ve read your posts on this site, and most of them indicate you’re either highly experienced in foreign policy and national interest programs or highly opinionated about them.

I know what my guess is.

No, it would be just anarchy. Government tyranny would be be impossible without government police. Anarchy is only tyranny to those who seek to rule others. In anarchic society there would have to be alternatives to government police to provide policing function, but that is for a different thread.

Back to the topic at hand, the way American policing is conducted is absolutely not necessary for civil society. No other first world country has a system where police unions can influence the election of persons responsible for reviewing their conduct. No other first world country allows police to use lethal force just because they feel scared.

Funny you mention my other posts on foreign policy, because I haven't seen you counter any of them. Seems like you are highly opinionated too, but you simply can't back your opinions with arguments.

 

[dmancornell]

First off....I don't know crap about the case you are hanging your hat on. Frankly , I could care less. Legal issue? Facts? Where are you getting these "facts"? What is legally known as heresay, from liberal media that are far from fair and objective and have a horse in the race to stir up controversy for selfish reasons.

But, again , that's not what bothers me. It's your disrespect for the men and women protecting your butt. It's like stomping on the flag, burning it, then peeing on it. Slapping your foster parents in the face.

Your comments and attitude go past that one case.

Turnabout is fair play....if an officer hesitated out of fear of retribution for poor judgment in a spur of the moment decision, and the perp killed one of your loved ones , would you be so happy and righteous?

I respect your right to any opinion , but don't care for your skewed , borderline insane opinion of LEOs in general .

You want facts? Start with the dashcam video leading up to the Samantha Ramsey shooting, the recorded testimony of multiple witnesses on hand, multiple news reports of the initial police claims of the cop's foot being run over and their subsequent retraction, the refusal of the police to release toxicology and autopsy reports, the media coverage of their lobbying for their preferred DA candidate, and finally, the settlement, one of the terms was which the police promised to change their procedures regarding use of deadly force on vehicles.

Is the police chief retracting his claim of his cop's foot being run over "hearsay"?

By the way, police have zero obligation to protect anybody. Warren v. District of Columbia. Look it up. Don't attribute responsibility where none exists.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Seems like you are highly opinionated too, but you simply can't back your opinions with arguments.

I don’t argue foreign policy. I spent a career implement it.

What I know is those that argue the grass is greener probably have never planted the lawn.

 

[dmancornell]

I don’t argue foreign policy. I spent a career implement it.

What I know is those that argue the grass is greener probably have never planted the lawn.

By your logic, one can never disagree with the State Department honchos. Textbook argument from authority fallacy. Also, were you implementing that policy in the military or were you in a fancy office originating and justifying that policy? If it's the former, then you are arguing from non-authority.

 

[toddnjoyce]

vomitus.

See post 109 and quit making assumptions.

You’ve failed to answer a direct question.

Have you ever experienced life in a locale without a policing function?

 

[dmancornell]

What assumption is that? I called out your excuse, nothing more.

And the answer is: stop asking stupid questions.

 

[sharkey]

Under what obligation would the DA bring charges against Samantha Ramsey's killer if things did indeed occur as I described, as in, the scenario supported by the camera footage, the forensic evidence, the testimony of multiple witnesses, and the failure of the police to provide a shred of evidence other than the word of a cop to back their claims? Professionalism? Moral courage? He can do as he pleases. It's called prosecutorial discretion. The police union openly donated money to the campaign of the new DA who failed to deliver an indictment. If that is not bribery, what is it?

Frankly your experience as a cop is absolutely irrelevant. This is a legal issue, and cops are not lawyers. It's like saying you need to be a doctor to criticize Obamacare.

Please, you are reaching by saying that the association donating to a particular candidate is bribery. My guess is that no charges were filed is because it did not happen like you and the media are reporting. The DA did not have enough evidence to charge the officer for what you say happened.

Now you say that my experience as a LEO has no bearing on my perspectice and analysis of these cases of LEO'S that have been involved in questionable OIS? The only thing I can say is - that is ridiculous and you are obviously uninformed, inexperienced, and frankly moronic. I have asked before what gives you the knowledge to comment on this stuff and you never reply. We all have opinions, but we can't all be right. You reference prosecutorial discretion and cite a legal case which leads me to believe you are a frustrated criminal defense attorney or former one. Maybe a an attorney for plaintiff where you sued an agency and had you hat handed to you?

Go ahead have the last word counselor if it makes you feel better.

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[dmancornell]

Please, you are reaching by saying that the association donating to a particular candidate is bribery. My guess is that no charges were filed is because it did not happen like you and the media are reporting. The DA did not have enough evidence to charge the officer for what you say happened.

Now you say that my experience as a LEO has no bearing on my perspectice and analysis of these cases of LEO'S that have been involved in questionable OIS? The only thing I can say is - that is ridiculous and you are obviously uninformed, inexperienced, and frankly moronic. I have asked before what gives you the knowledge to comment on this stuff and you never reply. We all have opinions, but we can't all be right. You reference prosecutorial discretion and cite a legal case which leads me to believe you are a frustrated criminal defense attorney or former one. Maybe a an attorney for plaintiff where you sued an agency and had you hat handed to you?

Go ahead have the last word counselor if it makes you feel better.

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Lobbying is bribery. It might be legal bribery, but it is bribery nonetheless. How is anyone confused by this? And apparently it's not only criminals who criticize crooked cops, frustrated defense attorneys also do it but no one else.

And your perspective and analysis is relevant only to demonstrate your bias and contempt for equality before the law. Presented with a case where the cops have no evidence to back their initial claims of a justified shooting, then proceeded to hide inculpatory evidence that demonstrate their guilt, your only play is to fall back on your faith in the system (the DA would surely have charged the cop if he were guilty) while denying the clear conflict of interest between police unions and DA elections.

The funny thing is, if I were really a lawyer, I could have argued from authority and said "I'm a lawyer so I am right". But you're the one attempting to do so with no actual legal authority whatsoever, since cops are not lawyers and courts have ruled that police ignorance of the law can be used to excuse criminal malfeasance (unlike the rest of us). That would be another example of those legal privileges I mentioned that you believe do not exist. LOL.

Update: the case dealing with police ignorance is Heien v. North Carolina. In case any of you think that privilege is just "hearsay".

 

[BRD@66]

sigh.

 

[LOCKHART]

Dmancornell, let me give a suggestion, next time your house is burgled, call your neighborhood drug dealer, rapist, etc., instead of those dreadful police. See how that works out for you!

 

[SloppyShooter]

I'll say one thing, this Balch Springs cop gets around. Murdered Samantha Ramsey too?

 

[toddnjoyce]

In ten years of forums I've now only added a second person to my spreadsheet.

Both have one thing in common, they stir the pot without actually interacting with other forum users.

Heckling I guess you could call it. So glad to have the block user option.

 

[LOCKHART]

Wish you would reconsider. I thought you handled the situation fine. When you block them, it gives them satisfaction, and the idea that you can't handle his rhetoric.

 

[SloppyShooter]

BTW: I really don't know the exact details, but my mom said they "convicted " the guy who murdered a Weatherford girl 30 years ago, like yesterday . IDK. I only know I found her wallet 30 years ago ,and almost a year ago a mitigation specialist (specializing in Capital offenses ) was knocking on my door asking questions about that wallet. But, I digress.

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Star Telegram ran an article Thursday:
61 year old Ricky Lee Adkins was convicted of raping and killing 19yr old Wendy Robinson. The reason my mom knew it was me was they mentioned a man finding a wallet while fishing Lake Worth .