Carrying without CHL

[Bithabus]

The people in this thread advocating criminal activity are misguided. I have a CHL because I don't want to go to prison, have a record, be unable to get a job, etc... Of course the weapons laws are unjust and against the spirit and text of our Constitution, but throwing your life away is not the answer.

 

[Harley Rider 55]

Get yourself an AOW shotgun with a $5 tax stamp and you can carry this (without the Glock):

 

[MR Redneck]

The people in this thread advocating criminal activity are misguided. I have a CHL because I don't want to go to prison, have a record, be unable to get a job, etc... Of course the weapons laws are unjust and against the spirit and text of our Constitution, but throwing your life away is not the answer.

I didnt read anything misguided. I didnt see anyone tell anybody not to obay the either.
Im also one of those who think we shouldnt be required to have a CHL. Actually Im madder than hell over the whole issue. I sometime pack a gun if I think I need to. Dont worry, Im not going to shoot any innocent people with, I just like to keep prepared. It aint often I carry a gun, but I always have them near by.
I respect a mans decision to get the CHL. People with dependants should take caution. The law aint on the honest mans side and that is the whole problem. The law just wants to get the honest man money. I.e CHL fee's..........

 

[MR Redneck]

Get yourself an AOW shotgun with a $5 tax stamp and you can carry this (without the Glock):

Thats a nice set up you got there.

 

[Harley Rider 55]

Thats a nice set up you got there.

It's not mine - it's an Andrews Firepower Rig. I used a rig like that (minus the handgun) to conceal carry an AOW shotgun years before Texas issued handgun licenses.

 

[MR Redneck]

It's not mine - it's an Andrews Firepower Rig. I used a rig like that (minus the handgun) to conceal carry an AOW shotgun years before Texas issued handgun licenses.

Can you still carry something like that, because im a shotgun kid of person.

 

[matefrio]

Can you still carry something like that, because im a shotgun kid of person.

I don't think you can carry a shotgun or AOW concealed. Only a pistol or revolver.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I don't think you can carry a shotgun or AOW concealed. Only a pistol or revolver.

That's why he states without the Glock......one could walk down the street wearing the shotgun on the outside.




......you can bet your bottom dollar you would get stopped & questioned though, lol.....

 

[matefrio]

That's why he states without the Glock......one could walk down the street wearing the shotgun on the outside.




......you can bet your bottom dollar you would get stopped & questioned though, lol.....

Seems he carried concealed without the Glock.

I used a rig like that (minus the handgun) to conceal carry an AOW shotgun

 

[MR Redneck]

That's why he states without the Glock......one could walk down the street wearing the shotgun on the outside.




......you can bet your bottom dollar you would get stopped & questioned though, lol.....

Yea, thats what disappoints me. You have to have a CHL to conceal carry a handgun. But for rifles, you dont and if you do carry a rifle your going to catch mortal hell over it.
I wouldnt care either way what a person carries, as long as they aint acting crazy or pointing it at me. If a person carries without a lisence I wouldnt care about that either, I support their right to defend themselfs. People who have CHL's dont bother me and neither do people without them.

 

[cuate]

I will guess that millions of Texans carried concealed illegally before that sweet lady who lost her parents in that Luby's massacre pushed for our CHL law. Some of us lived when Texas was
considerably tamer out on the streets, although alcoholic beverages, "idiot water" to they who can't hold it sensably or peacefully has seemingly made some Texans think that they are John W. Hardins in the beer joints and ready for a shoot out. Today there is always a town or part of town that is dangerous for a respectable citizen to enter or pass through. All of the thugs,
gangbangers, thieves, burglars, intruders are likely armed and will kill for the hell of it, especially if the victim is an Anglo.

I carry legally via CHL these days, am not looking for a gunfight, get along with friends and neighbors and the public in general and don't give three hoots in hell for open carry because it telegraphs what you are carrying and makes it possible for someone to come up from behind in a crowd and grab the weapon. I gave up feeling like Matt Dillon when I was 14 or 15 years old.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Seems he carried concealed without the Glock.

That might be true, but he states in the post with the pic (word for word)......and this is what I am agreeing with just NOT concealed.

"Get yourself an AOW shotgun with a $5 tax stamp and you can carry this (without the Glock)"

 

[MR Redneck]

I will guess that millions of Texans carried concealed illegally before that sweet lady who lost her parents in that Luby's massacre pushed for our CHL law. Some of us lived when Texas was
considerably tamer out on the streets, although alcoholic beverages, "idiot water" to they who can't hold it sensably or peacefully has seemingly made some Texans think that they are John W. Hardins in the beer joints and ready for a shoot out. Today there is always a town or part of town that is dangerous for a respectable citizen to enter or pass through. All of the thugs,
gangbangers, thieves, burglars, intruders are likely armed and will kill for the hell of it, especially if the victim is an Anglo.

I carry legally via CHL these days, am not looking for a gunfight, get along with friends and neighbors and the public in general and don't give three hoots in hell for open carry because it telegraphs what you are carrying and makes it possible for someone to come up from behind in a crowd and grab the weapon. I gave up feeling like Matt Dillon when I was 14 or 15 years old.

Matt Dillon,!! That was a good show. Im one of those who'll watch a western instead of a ball game. Im a Eastwood fan.
I do like open carry because I cant stand having something all up on me. I cant even carry a wallet or have change in my pockets.
One thing I can say about open carry, if someone is stupid enough to grab for my gun, then they'll find themself knocked out in the floor before they decide what to do with it.
Open carry just like concealed carry isnt for everyone. Thats why I think we should have a choice. We dont have a choice thow, all of our choices have been taken away.

 

[Dallas239]

That's why he states without the Glock......one could walk down the street wearing the shotgun on the outside..

You can also walk down the street with it concealed. Tex. P. Code Sec. 46.02 does not apply to shotguns, so feel free to conceal your shotgun as long as you don't go to any of the places listed in 46.03. And don't trespass, which would include places with gunbusters signs. In fact, you'd better conceal it, lest you get charged with disorderly conduct. The law is a bit quirky, but you can actually carry a long gun more places than you can carry a handgun with a CHL.

 

[Renegade]

I will guess that millions of Texans carried concealed illegally before that sweet lady who lost her parents in that Luby's massacre pushed for our CHL law. S.

I legally carried a long arm instead.

 

[Bithabus]

I didnt read anything misguided. I didnt see anyone tell anybody not to obay the either.
Im also one of those who think we shouldnt be required to have a CHL. Actually Im madder than hell over the whole issue. I sometime pack a gun if I think I need to. Dont worry, Im not going to shoot any innocent people with, I just like to keep prepared. It aint often I carry a gun, but I always have them near by.
I respect a mans decision to get the CHL. People with dependants should take caution. The law aint on the honest mans side and that is the whole problem. The law just wants to get the honest man money. I.e CHL fee's..........

I agree a CHL should not be necessary. Making a criminal of yourself is not the proper way to protest, however.

 

[MR Redneck]

I agree a CHL should not be necessary. Making a criminal of yourself is not the proper way to protest, however.

I dont have a CHL, but I dont carry everywhere either. If I feel like im getting into something bad, then you can bet your hat im going to have a 45 in my pocket. Like I said, I hate concealed carry but I hate getting killed even more. I dont choose to break any laws. I choose to stay in good health. Law makers violate me more than I violate them.

 

[Grinch247]

scroll down and look for the bolded section.


Texas has no laws regarding possession of "long-barreled firearms" or "long guns" (shotguns, rifles and similar) or handguns by persons 18 years or older without felony convictions. NFA weapons are also only subject to Federal restrictions; no State regulations exist. Municipal and county ordinances on possession and carry are generally overridden (preempted) due to the wording of the Texas Constitution, which gives the Texas Legislature (and it alone) the power to "regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime".[262] Penal Code Section 1.08 also prohibits local jurisdictions from enacting or enforcing any law that conflicts with State statute. Local ordinances restricting discharge of a firearm are generally allowed as State law has little or no specification thereof.
There is no legal statute specifically prohibiting the carry of a firearm other than a handgun, although there is debate as to whether doing so constitutes "disorderly conduct" (which defines an offense, in part, as "displaying a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to cause alarm"). Open carry of a handgun in public is generally illegal in Texas; exceptions include when the carrier is on property he/she owns or has lawful control over, while legally hunting, or while participating in some gun-related public event such as a gun show. A permit to carry concealed is thus required to carry a handgun in public. Concealed carry permits are issued on a non-discretionary basis ("shall-issue") to all qualified applicants. In addition, Texas recognizes most out-of-state concealed-carry permits.
The concealed handgun law sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. For example, an applicant must be qualified to purchase a handgun under the state and federal laws. Additionally, a number of factors may make a person ineligible (temporarily or permanently) to obtain a license, including: felony convictions (permanent) and Class A or B misdemeanors (5 years, permanent in cases of domestic violence), including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication; pending criminal charges (indefinite until resolved); chemical or alcohol dependency (defined as 2 convictions for substance-related offenses; 10-year ban from the date of the first conviction); certain types of psychological diagnoses (indefinite until the condition is testified by a medical professional as being in remission); protective or restraining orders (indefinite until rescinded); or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support (indefinite until resolved).[263] This last category, though having little to do with a person's ability to own a firearm, is in keeping with Texas policy for any licensing; those who are delinquent or in default on State-regulated debts are generally barred from obtaining or renewing any State-issued license (including driver licenses), as an incentive to settle those debts.
A person wishing to obtain a CHL must also take a State-set instruction course covering topics such as applicable laws, conflict resolution, criminal/civil liability, and handgun safety, and pass a practical qualification at a firing range with a weapon of the type they wish to use (revolver or semi-automatic) and of a caliber greater than .32". They may then apply, providing a picture, fingerprints and other documentation, to the DPS, which processes the application, runs a federal background check, and if all is well, issues the permit.
On March 27, 2007, Governor Rick Perry signed Senate Bill 378 into law, making Texas a "Castle Doctrine" state which came into effect September 1, 2007.[264] Residents lawfully occupying a dwelling may shoot a person who "unlawfully, and with force, enters or attempts to enter the dwelling", or who removes or attempts to remove someone from that dwelling, or who commits or attempts to commit a "qualifying" felony such as burglary, arson, rape, aggravated assault, robbery or murder. In addition, a shooter who has a legal right to be wherever he/she is at the time of a defensive shooting has no "duty to retreat" before being justified in shooting; the "trier of fact" may not consider whether the person retreated when deciding whether the person was justified in shooting.
Gov. Perry also signed H.B. 1815, a bill that allows any Texas resident to carry a concealed handgun in the resident's motor vehicle without a CHL or other permit.[265] Chapter 46, Section 2 of the Penal Code states that it is in fact not "Unlawful Carry of a Weapon" for a person to carry a weapon while in a motor vehicle they own or control, or to carry while heading directly from the person's home to that car. However, lawful carry while in a vehicle requires these three critical qualifiers: (1) the gun must be concealed; (2) the carrier cannot be involved in criminal activities; and (3) the carrier cannot be a member of a criminal gang.[266][267]
Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns or rifles, or silencers is permitted, if the weapons have been federally registered in accordance with the National Firearms Act.[262]

 

[txinvestigator]

scroll down and look for the bolded section.

SNIP

WOW! At least 60% of that is incorrect. Where did you find that?

 

[smschulz]

WOW! At least 60% of that is incorrect. Where did you find that?

Maybe you could enlighten us?