Claiming "combat accuracy" is an excuse.

[StevenC.]

This was the video referenced in the start of the video - the concept of target shooting skill being real combat accuracy.

 

[breakingcontact]

Ya, BC did a good job!

I try. If I start enough threads, a few are bound to be good, right guys?

Steven, I hope you don't mind me posting more of your vids for conversation. I've been enjoying them.

 

[BIGPAPIGREG]

I think it's perty good Bigun...

 

[Younggun]

I don't think anyone is downplaying the need for fundamentals.

It's not one or the other. It's pushing past the speed limit needed to maintain 2" groups when 2" groups aren't needed.

Classes teaching that should be taken after a shooter understands fundamentals. They needn't necessarily be mastered.


In that situation, a shooter putting a 5" group center mass at 5 yards is pushing themselves to the limit of speed while maintaining the accuracy needed to keep rounds where they count.

That is the goal in self defense, so I don't see the issue. The only issue I can find has to do with possible poor instructors who might not teach students to continue practicing fundamentals. I haven't seen or heard of many instructors who don't stress fundamentals, I'm sure there are a few out there though.

 

[Younggun]

I think it's perty good Bigun...

Don't encourage him.

 

[breakingcontact]

Don't encourage him.

Encouragement received and processed.

 

[Younggun]

Crap.

 

[BIGPAPIGREG]

heh......

 

[peeps]

LoL....I said a cool thread, not a good thread. Haha j/k..

Yea I agree the student should never take a class and say oh, well, I guess I'm a badass now and don't need to practice or do anything to get better...that's party the instructor and partly the student's fault.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

LoL....I said a cool thread, not a good thread. Haha j/k..

Yea I agree the student should never take a class and say oh, well, I guess I'm a badass now and don't need to practice or do anything to get better...that's party the instructor and partly the student's fault.

Disagree. Strictly on the student. As a student my job is to seek training.
It just ain't gonna knock on my door, nor fall out of the sky

 

[TheDan]

everybody is essentially saying the same thing and arguing about it...


I was watching some stuff about historical sword combat the other day and one thing that really stuck out to me was a comment about how under the stress of battle, people tended to regress to mostly just overhand chopping motions with swords; despite having been trained to mostly give point and only occasionally cut. Under stress your motor control degrades and you default to simpler movements that use those gross motor skills. Just thought it was really interesting that this isn't a new problem.

You can see that they were very aware of this fact in their day by looking at the design of civilian swords, "gentlemen's" swords, and military swords.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

You know, I typed over a one thousand word response to this. Things just don't have to be this hard.










Learn to shoot as fast as you can possibly shoot

Learn to shoot as accurately as you can possibly shoot

Learn to combine both, then learn to do it on demand











It's that simple.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Arbitrary measures of performance that dictate "this is fast enough" or "this is accurate enough" are bullshit.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of THIS:

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of every aspect of THESE:

Somewhere in between, you will find places where the two meet. Exactly where is up to you.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of THIS:

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of every aspect of THESE:

Somewhere in between, you will find places where the two meet. Exactly where is up to you.

You i like

 

[peeps]

Disagree. Strictly on the student. As a student my job is to seek training.
It just ain't gonna knock on my door, nor fall out of the sky

Why? Aren't there bad instructors?

 

[breakingcontact]

You know, I typed over a one thousand word response to this. Things just don't have to be this hard.










Learn to shoot as fast as you can possibly shoot

Learn to shoot as accurately as you can possibly shoot

Learn to combine both, then learn to do it on demand











It's that simple.

Travis hired an editor.

 

[breakingcontact]

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of THIS:

Squeeze everything you possibly can out of every aspect of THESE:

Somewhere in between, you will find places where the two meet. Exactly where is up to you.

The shot timer has helped me a lot.

 

[Andy]

When I talk about the dot drill and people are like "why do you need to shoot tiny little groups, just hit the target" or "in a gunfight you won't use your sights anyways" these are the same folks who will claim their "combat accuracy" is good enough.

Those are the same folks who've never been in a gunfight - it's their excuse for being a shit shot. I've been in a number of them and I was aware of my sights on all but one occasion, so I agree with you; I've been shooting 1" dots for decades because building accuracy is the basis for building speed.

Preaching to the choir here perhaps, but shooting a little dot forces you to concentrate on accuracy and it becomes easier over time - as you progress, you get faster at obtaining the same result and muscle memory starts to take over to the point where you're fast enough that you barely even need to consciously see your sights.

 

[Andy]

Learn to shoot as accurately as you can possibly shoot

Learn to shoot as fast as you can possibly shoot

Learn to combine both, then learn to do it on demand

Yep - and if it comes to a fight, as Wyatt Earp is claimed to have said: "Take your time, fast".

...I guess I'm a badass now and don't need to practice or do anything to get better...

I see a lot of this in the CHL-community - many don't appreciate that it's not combat or shooting training or expertise of any kind other than, perhaps, knowing a little bit of law. That worries me a little, but... it's not my life and CHLers are very law-abiding folks as it is.