click it or ticket season?

[Big country]

I'm still with M sage the law was to make some one money. I wear it I wouldn't quit wearing it. But Burt I still don't have to like it. It is a stupid law that replaces common sense and the people that pass the laws do not give a shit about public safety. They care about their own wallet getting fatter.

 

[Hoji]

You need to talk to those that work wrecks...see people ejected or stuck halfway out a windshield, see the carnage and half to go tell some family member their kid/husband/wife is dead.
I am not saying whether the govt. should tell you to wear a belt or not, but there are good intentions in the law.....its more than a money grab.

Be honest. It is a money grab. Otherwise we would see more motorcyclists stopped for the insurance check or training class certification.

Also I do wear seatbelts EVERY time I get in a vehicle. Something ingrained in me at a very young age by my dad, a retired Alabama Highway Patrolman. They do save lives, so do motorcycle helmets, but you can take a class or carry 10,000 in extra insurance and opt out of wearing a helmet. Seems like cagers should be able to do the same. That being said you are a moron if you do not wear your belt.

 

[Texan2]

Be honest. It is a money grab. Otherwise we would see more motorcyclists stopped for the insurance check or training class certification.

Also I do wear seatbelts EVERY time I get in a vehicle. Something ingrained in me at a very young age by my dad, a retired Alabama Highway Patrolman. They do save lives, so do motorcycle helmets, but you can take a class or carry 10,000 in extra insurance and opt out of wearing a helmet. Seems like cagers should be able to do the same. That being said you are a moron if you do not wear your belt.

I guess my point of view doesn't see it as a money grab. In fact while most traffic tickets can end up in a fine of up to $500, the seat belt law is maxed out a $200. The state spends millions on advertising to get you to
wear your belt and avoid a ticket. if it were a grab, why try so hard to get you to put it on? save the ad money and just catch more people without it on, right? ...I agree that it is stupid to have a seat belt law and no helmet law. But...they are apples and oranges. Two different lobbies worked for 2 different laws and both got their way.

 

[Hoji]

I guess my point of view doesn't see it as a money grab. In fact while most traffic tickets can end up in a fine of up to $500, the seat belt law is maxed out a $200. The state spends millions on advertising to get you to
wear your belt and avoid a ticket. if it were a grab, why try so hard to get you to put it on? save the ad money and just catch more people without it on, right? ...I agree that it is stupid to have a seat belt law and no helmet law. But...they are apples and oranges. Two different lobbies worked for 2 different laws and both got their way.

Why does the law only cover passengers in the front seat? Because they are the only ones you can see. You see someone w/o a belt on you have PC to initiate a stop. If it was indeed about safety, it would require ALL passengers to wear them.

 

[M. Sage]

No, insurance only pays for people that are insured. You are thinking micro, you have to change gears to a macro outlook. I'm insured, I'm pretty sure that you are insured.

The truth, is that places like Parkland are paid for by the [local] government through [our] taxes. As a matter of fact, Parkland provided OVER $500 MILLION in uncompensated care last year. That is only 1 healthcare system here in the Dallas area, every large city has one or more. It's a huge drain on society, though it has obvious merits. The people pushing universal healthcare don't like to talk about the care already offered in metropolitan areas, nor do they like to talk about the cost.

So... people who are going to ignore the insurance requirement are going to respect the seat belt requirement? Ain't buying it, sorry. That's like arguing that making it illegal to use a gun in a crime will stop it from happening, or making it illegal for a criminal to possess a gun will keep them from obtaining them.

Parkland wants to build a new $1.2 billion facility....with the city of Dallas tax dollars. It's an abused system. It's supposed to be a place for the uninsured and less fortunate to receive critical care........but what you find is that folks line up for free care every time they get a cold. It wasn't designed for that capacity. If you want to find the illegal aliens, visit parkland. If you want to find gang-bangers shot & stabbed, visit on a weekend. Taxpayers get the bill, not insurance companies. That is a lot of money that could go to teachers, firemen, policemen, roadway maintenance, and improving infrastructure.

If you want to read more: http://www.governing.com/article/lifeline[url]http://www.governing.com/article/lifeline[/URL]

So close it on down. I've always been of the opinion that if you can't pay for it, you can't have it.

 

[DCortez]

The government wasn't paying those bills. Insurance companies were.

Guess who it was that lobbied for (and got) seat belt laws? Funny that they got their seat belt laws to lower costs, but we didn't get lower rates.

Are you saying we've been bamboozled again?

 

[kingofwylietx]

So... people who are going to ignore the insurance requirement are going to respect the seat belt requirement? Ain't buying it, sorry. That's like arguing that making it illegal to use a gun in a crime will stop it from happening, or making it illegal for a criminal to possess a gun will keep them from obtaining them.



So close it on down. I've always been of the opinion that if you can't pay for it, you can't have it.

I should have elaborated a little more, I was referring to medical/health insurance....not auto insurance. I see your point when looking at it as auto insurance. I was typing about insurance only paying for the procedures of those with health insurance.

You won't see me picketing to keep Parkland open or for them to get a nice new facility. It has it's place and use, but those that benefit should be the ones that pay......not everyone else. I'm not socialist at all. I believe that people need the incentive of getting ahead to work. If you have the ability to work and be productive, you should not be getting any handouts. If you have a true disability (not these losers who fake it so they can lounge on the couch all day), then I don't mind gov't assistance for them.....

 

[M. Sage]

I should have elaborated a little more, I was referring to medical/health insurance....not auto insurance. I see your point when looking at it as auto insurance. I was typing about insurance only paying for the procedures of those with health insurance.

Ah. Health insurance doesn't have much bearing on the seat belt issue, since those injuries are usually covered under your auto policy, which is why I didn't make the connection.

 

[Burt Gummer]

Be honest. It is a money grab. Otherwise we would see more motorcyclists stopped for the insurance check or training class certification.

Also I do wear seatbelts EVERY time I get in a vehicle. Something ingrained in me at a very young age by my dad, a retired Alabama Highway Patrolman. They do save lives, so do motorcycle helmets, but you can take a class or carry 10,000 in extra insurance and opt out of wearing a helmet. Seems like cagers should be able to do the same. That being said you are a moron if you do not wear your belt.

My personal opinion also.

The seatbelt law does not cost ME any money.I wear mine.
The car insurance law in TX does not cost me (in fines that is) because I have insurance and present it when I get stopped.

We can argue how much we do not like a certain law but choosing to obey it is a reasonable option.Once again if it really makes you angry then start a big legislative uproar about it and get it repealed but I bet you will not find much public support. I would venture to say that seat belts have SAVED more lives than they have COST so most folks would not support repealing it.

I do enjoy hearing some of you tell how it makes you mad that you are "forced" to wear your seat belt.
I do not recall anybody "forcing" me to choose to drive a motor vehicle. I have 2 feet and 2 arms,I can walk or bike.

Obey the rules or get a ticket. Whining only makes you look like a whiner, do something about it if it bothers you.

Whining is the battle cry of the impotent.

I want to change the car insurance law (allowing towing of all vehicles not covered like in Dallas) so I am trying to get on that bandwagon and make my voice heard.


Oh but bad news for you that bike,you have to obey most traffic laws also.
The good thing is that you do not have to wear a seat belt on a bike.
That should make some of the disgruntled folks happy.

 

[Big country]

You are right Mr.Gummer seat belts do save more lives than they cost. But it is a money grab, and they do not save all lives. I have to agree that if you do not wear your seat belt you are more or less asking for trouble. WHETHER it comes from the law of the land or the laws of physics/gravity. But I'm not whining about the law I simply stated that I do not like the law and you are whining about me not liking the law. so I will agree on some points and agree to disagree on some others. I am sure that we could go on making the same argument's all year long and no one will agree with anyone when it is all said and done.

 

[DCortez]

It won't be long til we are all wearing "walking helmets"

 

[Rocket_Cowboy]

It won't be long til we are all wearing "walking helmets"

Shoot ... before long we won't even be able to walk, we'll just stay locked up at home.

 

[M. Sage]

It won't be long til we are all wearing "walking helmets"

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[Hoji]

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Swell.

 

[Big country]

WTF? The whole world has lost its damn mind. And we are all going to die from starvation caused by over population in the world!

 

[DCortez]

Well crap ...

 

[M. Sage]

Just when you guys think it can't get any worse, you can always count on me... to point out that it already has. :1zhelp:

I have friends who wonder why I'm so cynical and negative...

 

[kingofwylietx]

That is amazing. Did you notice that 1/4 of those polled wanted lines on the sidewalk to help them walk. I guess they need 2 lines, one for each direction......else there will probably be a lot of head-on textisions (collisions - text...get...almost funny).

How sad. Why do anything? Let Darwin take care of it.

 

[Rocket_Cowboy]

I have friends who wonder why I'm so cynical and negative...

I wonder how more people keep from becoming cynical with some of the stuff that's going on.

 

[Big country]

I wonder how more people keep from becoming cynical with some of the stuff that's going on.

That is what I've been saying to every body. I'm known in my family to "look at the bad side of things first" -My Mom says that to me all the time. I can't help it if I look at the world and don't see candy canes and gum drops.