Feds scan plates at gun shows in Kommiefornia

[Rebel]

So, to overcome this all I gotta do is use ZW's plates at the gun show and get somebody else's plates to make a Tijuana run. Or heck, just use 2 different cars now that the cat is out of the bag.

Reynosa; fewer people.

 

[XinTX]

Turn it around. Were a regular citizen go through the parking lot at an FBI/BATF/DHS building with a plate scanner, you think they wouldn't get arrested?

I wouldn't want to try it.

 

[majormadmax]

Turn it around. Were a regular citizen go through the parking lot at an FBI/BATF/DHS building with a plate scanner, you think they wouldn't get arrested?

I wouldn't want to try it.

The FBI Field Office parking lot in San Antonio has controlled entry, but there is no law prohibiting the photography of the exterior of Federal facilities...

http://www.photoattorney.com/wp-con...raphing-the-Exterior-of-Federal-Buildings.pdf

 

[diesel1959]

Pull into gun show, remove license plate and lock it in the car out of site. replace license plate upon leaving (just like you would anything else you mentioned). It is only illegal to drive on a public road without it, not park in a parking lot.

I don't agree with what they are doing at all, but as someone else mentioned, it is a public space.

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you realize they can walk up to your vehicle and run you VIN, right? It gives them the same info.

 

[benenglish]

The FBI Field Office parking lot in San Antonio has controlled entry, but there is no law prohibiting the photography of the exterior of Federal facilities...

Well, yes, but that's an oversimplification, don't you think?

I've personally witnessed Federal Protective Service officers ordering a photographer on a public sidewalk not to photograph one of the federal buildings in downtown Houston. Doing so was completely legal yet the FPS officers just flatly lied, said it was illegal, and threatened to arrest the guy. He caved and walked away.

The Photography Is Not A Crime web site is full of stories like that. Despite initial appearances, that's not an anti-cop web site. It is, however, an "anti-stupid-folks-in-uniform-whom-make-shit-up-as-they-go-along" web site. So the notion that legal activity can cause you to get crosswise with LE is well-documented.

My point is that it's no good to know you're legal if the guys with the badges and guns say you're not. The existence of an FPS bulletin that says photography is kosher is of little comfort to the person on the receiving end of, shall we say, an "aggressive" field interview.

 

[benenglish]

you realize they can walk up to your vehicle and run you VIN, right? It gives them the same info.

Sure. Similarly, they could run plates, one at a time, before license plate readers became available.

I think the general point is that most of us can remember a time when the police didn't run every plate they saw unless they saw something wrong. Now that technology enables such actions, it's reasonable to discuss their propriety.

 

[Pawpaw40]

What irks me is that if the powers that be were scanning the license plates at the local mosque, all the libtards would be howling about the camel jockeys rights.

 

[fishingsetx]

you realize they can walk up to your vehicle and run you VIN, right? It gives them the same info.

Yep, but they aren't going to be walking through a parking lot running the Vin numbers on several hundred cars.


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[TheDan]

"anti-stupid-folks-in-uniform-whom-make-shit-up-as-they-go-along"

 

[MtnSpur]

To overthink the paranoid mindset of the Feds running plates; take a CAB :-) I don't think they can run my horse so.....I feel ok ;-)

 

[ROGER4314]

Oh, and having worked at NSA, I can assure you that no one there gives a shit about your "comings and goings."

Well shxt, the truth finally comes out! I read the entire thread and couldn't understand why you took this subject personally. You were ONE OF THEM!

NSA? Hell, I'd rather be a piano player in a whorehouse! Those MF's couldn't find enough money to make me work for them! They leave a trail of slime on anything that they touch.

Flash

 

[Mike1234567]

When I learned about phone calls being monitored and recorded if certain 'hot words' were used, tried a few times to play games with them. During a call I'd use the following words. I don't know if they ever took the bait but it was amusing to think so.

bomb
kill
jihad
assassinate
infidel
airplane
poison gas
cyanide
water supply
American embassy
white house
pentagon
president Bush

Do you folks think there are internet robots that look for forum posts with these words? I'll bet there are and it's funny to image some misguided spyjockey having to filter through hundreds of posts like this wasting his/her UNvaluable time. Hey, spyjockey... if you're reading this... kiss my nasty ass.

EDIT: I don't mean you, majormadmax.

 

[majormadmax]

Well shxt, the truth finally comes out! I read the entire thread and couldn't understand why you took this subject personally. You were ONE OF THEM!

NSA? Hell, I'd rather be a piano player in a whorehouse! Those MF's couldn't find enough money to make me work for them! They leave a trail of slime on anything that they touch.

Flash

Well, some of us spent a large portion of our lives risking our necks for the safety and security of others. Of course, I suspect you believe NSA doesn't do any good, but that is far from the case for those of us who know the actual truth. Given your glowing review of the Snowden movie, I know it's futile to try to convince you that the reality is a lot different than what you're going to get from an Oliver Stone movie, so stick to your fantasies but know that the liberties you enjoy so much have been defended by that organization a lot more than you think!

As for being "one of them," I will take that moniker proudly as it meant I like many before me and many since, have served and sacrificed. You're welcome.

 

[TheDan]

NSA? Hell, I'd rather be a piano player in a whorehouse! Those MF's couldn't find enough money to make me work for them! They leave a trail of slime on anything that they touch.

When I was in the AF an NSA recruiter would come around at least once a year looking for technical people to sign a contract for when their service was up. I was initially interested so had a meeting with him. At one point he was bragging about how they could turn the microphone on and listen to any cell phone even if the phone was off. The technology is interesting, but I didn't think that was as cool as he obviously thought it was.

I would not want to work for them either.

Do you folks think there are internet robots that look for forum posts with these words?

yes and no... That approach returns far too many false positives. That sort of data would be cataloged and stored for some amount of time, but is only useful forensically (after the fact, can't prevent shit...). There's other methods of building associations and targeting specific locations, systems or even people. Those tend to be more effective.

 

[ROGER4314]

I suspect you believe NSA doesn't do any good, but that is far from the case for those of us who know the actual truth.

Translated to English, you probably meant "The end Justifies the means." A lot of really evil people in the history of Planet Earth shared your viewpoint as they trashed the lives and reputations of people who did absolutely nothing wrong.

I share Mike's viewpoint. Here's a raised middle finger to all of them! XXXXXX.

Flash

 

[XinTX]

And more criminals are in jail because of "these 1984ish surveillance procedures." How did they catch the Boston Marathon bombers? Video surveillance.

That was passive surveillance. Basically mounted cameras that didn't move pointed at an area where there could be a bit of crime (pickpockets, shoplifters, etc.).

The Fourth Amendment protects people from warrantless searches of places or seizures of persons or objects, in which they have an subjective expectation of privacy that is deemed reasonable in public norms.

Odd. I've read the Constitution several times and those words aren't in the 4th Amendment. I don't see that term "expectation of privacy" anywhere. According to the framers, we are supposed to have an "expectation of privacy" all the time.

 

[majormadmax]

That was passive surveillance. Basically mounted cameras that didn't move pointed at an area where there could be a bit of crime (pickpockets, shoplifters, etc.).

Surveillance is surveillance, and it was how they were caught no matter if it was active or passive.

Odd. I've read the Constitution several times and those words aren't in the 4th Amendment. I don't see that term "expectation of privacy" anywhere. According to the framers, we are supposed to have an "expectation of privacy" all the time.

So you're a Constitutional expert because you've read it? Maybe you should dig a little deeper into the Supreme Court rulings on the 4th Amendment...

 

[Mike1234567]

Does anyone here truly trust all the Supreme Court Justices implicitly and grant them impunity from errors, misjudgments and outright abuses of their powers? I don't. The US Constitution guarantees our right to privacy and we have the right to demand it. Sadly, we allow it to be invaded time and time again.

That stated, I'm 'on-the-fence' regarding 'passive' surveillance in some high-traffic areas. 'Passive', meaning no one looks at the video and it's automatically deleted every few days unless a crime is committed and only those short clips are saved. It's only use would be to catch those who commit significant crimes. A camera on every corner... every street... hell no!! I make this statement with great reservation because I know if we give an inch, Big Brother will take a mile... which he's already done many times over.

 

[benenglish]

I make this statement with great reservation because I know if we give an inch, Big Brother will take a mile... which he's already done many times over.

Note the British use of cameras and how it extended. Nowadays, most cameras in central London have mics and speakers. The police watching the cameras will admonish people for anything that looks too rowdy.

The nanny state, defined.

 

[TX69]

Take a rental or borrow your MIL car lol. Libtards on that kind of a witch hunt WILL find a boogey man whether there is one or not. The Feds will say that they are not being productive right?The key is not to live or travel into or through Kommiefornika duh!