That’ll go over well....Texas should seize and nationalize Pantex....
That’ll go over well.
I get that, but the founders did deal with that and chose to associate - to hang together rather than separately. It's paradoxical, but you do need to work with others in order to have a better shot of survival, and they clearly made that choice.Another perspective is this that should also be taken into account. There are people that could, and might be those type of people to lead this in the right direction, and be a stable leadership, but may fear being left alone when things do get a little difficult and troubling, only to find themselves holding the bag and no support.
This is exactly why I don't align myself with causes anymore, or groups that look to make radical changes. People are good at talking a big game and will appear all gung-ho and raring to go, until things get a little difficult, or it imposes upon their comfort and convenience. It's also why I have very, very few close friends, which counting them on one hand, still leaves me left over fingers. People are very bad about saying one thing, then doing something completely different. It's why I don't form close bonds with many people, and don't have a lot of faith, or trust in very many. Some might think me a cynic, and I'm comfortable with being labelled as such, but it's a matter of self-preservation and personal survival, and having learned the hard way about people, human nature and what people will do when the chips are down.
They will declare war over any sincere effort to secede. That precedent has long since been set.They might declare war over Pantex.
They will declare war over any sincere effort to secede. That precedent has long since been set.
This bill is political grandstanding and entertaining fodder for internet talk but anyone who is really serious about secession needs to sober up.
Now, that's a very valid observation. When we're in their position, we'll leave. We won't have to talk about it. That course of action will be obvious to everyone.I guess all of the Socialist Republics should have stayed with the USSR as well Ben?
Most people who yell secession, haven't thought about the end game on the chess board.
One question that quickly comes to mind- Where we gonna get our billions of dollars for a military? Who will be our military? Nukes? Fighter jets? Subs? How would we keep ourselves from just becoming a proxy war country?
Most people who yell secession, haven't thought about the end game on the chess board.
One question that quickly comes to mind- Where we gonna get our billions of dollars for a military? Who will be our military? Nukes? Fighter jets? Subs? How would we keep ourselves from just becoming a proxy war country?
Look at the Military demographics. We provide 1/5 of all the military personnel. The better question is where is the US going to get it's military for it's wars all over the globe?
Lockheed operates out of DFW. I'm pretty sure they will build us Jets if we so want them. Do we NEED a navy to enforce the gulf of Mexico? Again, if you don't GET IN WARS you don't need as much of a military. A LARGE part of the Military spending is upkeep. A LARGE part of that is upkeep of BASES and personnel in FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
We don't need all that shit. I bet the Texas Military would be fine with 200 MBT, 500 APCs, and less than 150k men, women, and air personnel.
Everyone here keeps forgetting we're the EIGHTH LARGEST ECONOMY ON THE PLANET.
from Wiki --
The economy of the State of Texas is the second largest by GDP in the United States after that of California. It has a gross state product of $1.887 trillion as of 2019. As of 2015, Texas is home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 51 overall (third most after New York and California). In 2017, Texas grossed more than $264.5 billion a year in exports—more than the exports of California ($172 billion) and New York ($77.9 billion) combined.
As a sovereign country (2016), Texas would be the 10th largest economy in the world by GDP, ahead of South Korea and Canada and behind Brazil. Texas has the second largest population in the country after California.
Some really good points. But how much of the military in Texas is funded by the federal government?
And if Texas seceded, would Texas tax revenue be enough for the implementation of it's own military force and the upkeep that it requires to stay functional and operative?
I agree but a full answer would require a book to properly address and I'm not qualified to write it. Just like most of the stuff I write.I'll defer to @benenglish , but my short answer is YES.
I'll defer to @benenglish , but my short answer is YES.
Gross Tax Revenue just for fed income tax in Texas is 300 billion Dollars.. That wouldn't include our 15% Corporate tax or our own capital gains taxes or property taxes. We could probably lower the property tax to 1% or lower state wide as well as GAS TAXES and IMPORT income on goods. I imagine when ALL said and done Texas Federal Tax collections could be upwards of 600 bn dollars.
I agree but a full answer would require a book to properly address and I'm not qualified to write it. Just like most of the stuff I write.
Great answer @Darkpriest667 . And I agree, and it seems as you laid it out, Texans could even see possibly lower tax costs as well?
In theory, IF Texas did secede, with our resources, and if we practiced sensible taxing, economically we should prosper?
I think there would be other hurdles that would need to be overcome and addressed as well. Borders? Entry and exit across those borders? Passports? What about diplomatic relations with other countries, or even with the United States?
@benenglish, trust me, I'm probably even less qualified than your self on most subjects!
^^^ This bears repeating.They will declare war over any sincere effort to secede. That precedent has long since been set.
This bill is political grandstanding and entertaining fodder for internet talk but anyone who is really serious about secession needs to sober up.
these are all good questions.
I firmly believe we can lower the tax burden on Texans as an independent nation by as much as 75% which would stimulate private growth and make our economy even stronger than it currently is.
^^^ This bears repeating.
The bill is a lot of damned nonsense and an embarrassment to any red-blooded American.
Sam Houston knew better too.
That is all I will say about it.
^^^ This bears repeating.
The bill is a lot of damned nonsense and an embarrassment to any red-blooded American.
Sam Houston knew better too.
That is all I will say about it.
Good point again. Either you, or someone else mentioned companies staying here in Texas if it did secede, or even offering incentives for companies to relocate to Texas, I'm wondering if the United States would impose tariffs, or even embargo's on Texas for good or products manufactured or produced in Texas, as a form of punishment against us for seceding the United States?