I see why Hollywood is afraid of firearms - Alec Baldwin kills set employee

[Aus_Schwaben]

Alec Baldwin “Discharged” Prop Gun That Killed ‘Rust’ Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins & Injured Director On Set; Actor Questioned And Released – Update

They can't handle prop guns safely let alone the real thing.

 

[Mycin]

Wow. Who the hell allowed live ammo on the set? Or did Baldwin place a gun loaded with blanks against someone's head and fire it as a joke, or something? That's happened before, right? But that wouldn't explain the injury to the director.

Baldwin is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and has a famously bad temper, so who knows what happened.

 

[baboon]

Aint the first time Hollyweird elite have killed someone with a prop gun! Hopefully they start doing it large scale until there are none!

 

[candcallen]

Fires prop gun apparently reckless and kills one injures another on set.

Misfired my ass.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has confirmed that director of photography Halyna Hutchins was the crewmember killed on the New Mexico set of Rust, where star Alec Baldwin was holding a prop gun that misfired, striking Hutchins and director Joel Souza.

‘Rust’ DP Halyna Hutchins Dies After Prop Gun Misfire On New Mexico Set Of Alec Baldwin Western; Director Joel Souza Also Injured – Update

Female Crewmember Dies After Prop Gun Misfire On New Mexico Set Of Alec Baldwin Film ‘Rust'

deadline.com

 

[Texasgordo]

I thought prop guns were supposed to be safe

 

[SQLGeek]

I see why Hollywood is afraid of firearms - Alec Baldwin kills set employee

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-discharged-prop-gun-that-killed-rust-cinematographer-injured-director-on-set/ar-AAPOhKp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 They can't handle prop guns safely let alone the real thing.

www.texasguntalk.com

 

[kbaxter60]

Lee Horsely, I believe his name was...
Perhaps not. Just searched him and not sure why that name came to mind...

Jon-Erik Hexum. I was WAY off...

 

[skfullgun]

Good thing he didn't have a "real" gun. I'm sure he will find a way to blame it on Trump.

 

[Glenn B]

Amazing how they are reporting that the gun misfired. Had it been Joe Schmoe from Cocamo, a firearms enthusiast, who had been holding the gun, they probably would have reported it as a negligent discharge of some sort or at least somehow placed the blame on Joe Schmoe!

RIP to the deceased and get well wishes to the other victim of the so called misfire.

 

[V-Tach]

I want to know more details before I call Baldwin an idiot......





No, he is an idiot..........

 

[skfullgun]

Proof that guns are not what is dangerous, it's stupid people that are dangerous.

 

[benenglish]

Redundant threads merged.

 

[Darkpriest667]

I called him out on Twitter

 

[candcallen]

I searched Alec Baldwin shoots and got nothing back. Maybe put that in the title and it would be searchable.


ETA
Sorry I'm in a bad mood tonight. Stressful day tomorrow .

 

[Lost Spurs]

Made me think of Brandon Lee. I have never seen one but there is apparently some intrinsic danger with blank guns. I would only assume you still treat a blank gun as lethal and follow the basic rules of gun safety. I can't validate the claim bit I seem to remember hearing about others seeing the same fate with "safe" guns.

Even if the shooter was a raging lib, he killed a guy on accident. Prayers for the victims family and prayers for Alec for doin the Killin. Sad to have another life lost to true, senseless, gun violence.

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[Glenn B]

I thought prop guns were supposed to be safe

You thought wrong. Guns used in movies often fire blanks, blanks can kill, they have killed some actors before. Some may fire actual rounds albeit it Simunition (supposedly non-lethal but sooner or later one will probvably cap someone and end it for him). Bruce Lee's son was killed by a prop gun. Others have also perished after being shot by supposed prop guns. See this article (which also gives accounts of deaths by other prop weapons but if you scroll through it there are at least a few examples of actors or other celebrities killed by prop guns). One moron put the gun to his own head and puled the trigger, he was an up and coming star in the 80's. His last words appear in the article, if true they were somewhat insightful.

 

[candcallen]

Even just a primer can bury stuff into your skin. Who know how much powder, any wad or crimping was used. That said killing one and putting another into surgery says some kind of projo was involved.

 

[benenglish]

Who the hell allowed live ammo on the set?

The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.

The reports I've seen indicate that this might not have been live ammo. It might have been a barrel obstruction that was blown out of the barrel by a blank. In any event, that shouldn't happen. That's the biggest job of the gun wrangler, to keep actors from shooting anyone.

did Baldwin place a gun loaded with blanks against someone's head and fire it as a joke, or something?

Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.

That's happened before, right?

At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.

Jon Erik-Hexum was joking around between takes and mimicked committing suicide by playing Russian roulette with his revolver. He loaded just one blank, gave the cylinder a spin, placed the muzzle on his temple, and pulled the trigger. He was taken off life support 6 days later.

The Brandon Lee death was the result of an infuriating collection of multiple accidents/oversights and lack of knowledge and due diligence. First, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a revolver by an accident with the manufacture of the ammo. A dummy round for photography was assembled using no powder but someone left the primer in the case. When the gun was fired, the bullet wound up stuck in the barrel. The person who fired it didn't know enough about guns to know that something was wrong. The gun wrangler didn't adequately check the piece (or check it at all?) before it was used again. At the next use, a regular blank was used from a distance of 12 to 15 feet, which would have been safe for a blank. It was not safe with a bullet in the barrel, though, and that bullet struck Brandon Lee in the stomach. The folks on set didn't realize he'd been shot and thought the reason he was unconscious was that he had struck his head when he fell (which he was supposed to do) at the end of the scene. It took a few minutes to realize that there was more wrong. I don't know if that was a big factor in his death but a delay in the start of treatment is never good. Anyway, after 5 or 6 hours of surgery, he succumbed.

After those high-profile deaths, the industry by-laws were amended. It's supposed to be a violation of the standard Screen Actors Guild and International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees contracts to point a "functional firearm" on set at any SAG or IATSE member, no matter the distance. Prop guns are supposed to be only used with blanks from safe distances. And anywhere that the firearm isn't in a close-up and doesn't have to be fired, it's supposed to be a completely non-functional dummy gun. That's why you occasionally run across those solid rubber, molded firearms replicas. They're intended for on-screen, background use.

Also, the standard gun-handling protocols were changed. In theory, the gun wrangler should hold the gun until it's time to start, hand the gun to the actor for the scene, and take it away after the shot is done. In practice, that's impossible. There are often too many guns in a shot or the shot is being repeated so many times in a row that there's no time for the hand-off. Still, they're supposed to try. The idea is that the gun wrangler will have control over the piece during the times when something about it could be made unsafe. They're supposed to do that to the extent that it's practical. If that protocol had been followed, even partially, neither Brandon Lee nor Jon-Erik Hexum would have died.

It's pretty clear that the folks on set of this latest accident were failing to follow several of their own rules.

ETA - I see I've been well and truly ninja'd. That's what I get for taking so long to compose something so, well, long.

 

[DoubleDuty]

I thought prop guns were supposed to be safe

They use live ammo for some shots. This dumbass said he didn't know what rounds were in it. Had to be a revolver since it is a western.

 

[DoubleDuty]

The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.

The reports I've seen indicate that this might not have been live ammo. It might have been a barrel obstruction that was blown out of the barrel by a blank. In any event, that shouldn't happen. That's the biggest job of the gun wrangler, to keep actors from shooting anyone.

Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.

At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.

Jon Erik-Hexum was joking around between takes and mimicked committing suicide by playing Russian roulette with his revolver. He loaded just one blank, gave the cylinder a spin, placed the muzzle on his temple, and pulled the trigger. He was taken off life support 6 days later.

The Brandon Lee death was the result of an infuriating collection of multiple accidents/oversights and lack of knowledge and due diligence. First, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a revolver by an accident with the manufacture of the ammo. A dummy round for photography was assembled using no powder but someone left the primer in the case. When the gun was fired, the bullet wound up stuck in the barrel. The person who fired it didn't know enough about guns to know that something was wrong. The gun wrangler didn't adequately check the piece (or check it at all?) before it was used again. At the next use, a regular blank was used from a distance of 12 to 15 feet, which would have been safe for a blank. It was not safe with a bullet in the barrel, though, and that bullet struck Brandon Lee in the stomach. The folks on set didn't realize he'd been shot and thought the reason he was unconscious was that he had struck his head when he fell (which he was supposed to do) at the end of the scene. It took a few minutes to realize that there was more wrong. I don't know if that was a big factor in his death but a delay in the start of treatment is never good. Anyway, after 5 or 6 hours of surgery, he succumbed.

After those high-profile deaths, the industry by-laws were amended. It's supposed to be a violation of the standard Screen Actors Guild and International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees contracts to point a "functional firearm" on set at any SAG or IATSE member, no matter the distance. Prop guns are supposed to be only used with blanks from safe distances. And anywhere that the firearm isn't in a close-up and doesn't have to be fired, it's supposed to be a completely non-functional dummy gun. That's why you occasionally run across those solid rubber, molded firearms replicas. They're intended for on-screen, background use.

Also, the standard gun-handling protocols were changed. In theory, the gun wrangler should hold the gun until it's time to start, hand the gun to the actor for the scene, and take it away after the shot is done. In practice, that's impossible. There are often too many guns in a shot or the shot is being repeated so many times in a row that there's no time for the hand-off. Still, they're supposed to try. The idea is that the gun wrangler will have control over the piece during the times when something about it could be made unsafe. They're supposed to do that to the extent that it's practical. If that protocol had been followed, even partially, neither Brandon Lee nor Jon-Erik Hexum would have died.

It's pretty clear that the folks on set of this latest accident were failing to follow several of their own rules.

ETA - I see I've been well and truly ninja'd. That's what I get for taking so long to compose something so, well, long.

The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.

The reports I've seen indicate that this might not have been live ammo. It might have been a barrel obstruction that was blown out of the barrel by a blank. In any event, that shouldn't happen. That's the biggest job of the gun wrangler, to keep actors from shooting anyone.

Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.

At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.

Jon Erik-Hexum was joking around between takes and mimicked committing suicide by playing Russian roulette with his revolver. He loaded just one blank, gave the cylinder a spin, placed the muzzle on his temple, and pulled the trigger. He was taken off life support 6 days later.

The Brandon Lee death was the result of an infuriating collection of multiple accidents/oversights and lack of knowledge and due diligence. First, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a revolver by an accident with the manufacture of the ammo. A dummy round for photography was assembled using no powder but someone left the primer in the case. When the gun was fired, the bullet wound up stuck in the barrel. The person who fired it didn't know enough about guns to know that something was wrong. The gun wrangler didn't adequately check the piece (or check it at all?) before it was used again. At the next use, a regular blank was used from a distance of 12 to 15 feet, which would have been safe for a blank. It was not safe with a bullet in the barrel, though, and that bullet struck Brandon Lee in the stomach. The folks on set didn't realize he'd been shot and thought the reason he was unconscious was that he had struck his head when he fell (which he was supposed to do) at the end of the scene. It took a few minutes to realize that there was more wrong. I don't know if that was a big factor in his death but a delay in the start of treatment is never good. Anyway, after 5 or 6 hours of surgery, he succumbed.

After those high-profile deaths, the industry by-laws were amended. It's supposed to be a violation of the standard Screen Actors Guild and International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees contracts to point a "functional firearm" on set at any SAG or IATSE member, no matter the distance. Prop guns are supposed to be only used with blanks from safe distances. And anywhere that the firearm isn't in a close-up and doesn't have to be fired, it's supposed to be a completely non-functional dummy gun. That's why you occasionally run across those solid rubber, molded firearms replicas. They're intended for on-screen, background use.

Also, the standard gun-handling protocols were changed. In theory, the gun wrangler should hold the gun until it's time to start, hand the gun to the actor for the scene, and take it away after the shot is done. In practice, that's impossible. There are often too many guns in a shot or the shot is being repeated so many times in a row that there's no time for the hand-off. Still, they're supposed to try. The idea is that the gun wrangler will have control over the piece during the times when something about it could be made unsafe. They're supposed to do that to the extent that it's practical. If that protocol had been followed, even partially, neither Brandon Lee nor Jon-Erik Hexum would have died.

It's pretty clear that the folks on set of this latest accident were failing to follow several of their own rules.

ETA - I see I've been well and truly ninja'd. That's what I get for taking so long to compose something so, well, long.

It should be mandatory for the rules of firearms be acknowledged and followed where firearms are going to be used. And the person in charge of firearm props should go over the weapon with the actor before every use.