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They can't handle prop guns safely let alone the real thing.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has confirmed that director of photography Halyna Hutchins was the crewmember killed on the New Mexico set of Rust, where star Alec Baldwin was holding a prop gun that misfired, striking Hutchins and director Joel Souza.
You thought wrong. Guns used in movies often fire blanks, blanks can kill, they have killed some actors before. Some may fire actual rounds albeit it Simunition (supposedly non-lethal but sooner or later one will probvably cap someone and end it for him). Bruce Lee's son was killed by a prop gun. Others have also perished after being shot by supposed prop guns. See this article (which also gives accounts of deaths by other prop weapons but if you scroll through it there are at least a few examples of actors or other celebrities killed by prop guns). One moron put the gun to his own head and puled the trigger, he was an up and coming star in the 80's. His last words appear in the article, if true they were somewhat insightful.I thought prop guns were supposed to be safe
The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.Who the hell allowed live ammo on the set?
Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.did Baldwin place a gun loaded with blanks against someone's head and fire it as a joke, or something?
At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.That's happened before, right?
They use live ammo for some shots. This dumbass said he didn't know what rounds were in it. Had to be a revolver since it is a western.I thought prop guns were supposed to be safe
The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.
The reports I've seen indicate that this might not have been live ammo. It might have been a barrel obstruction that was blown out of the barrel by a blank. In any event, that shouldn't happen. That's the biggest job of the gun wrangler, to keep actors from shooting anyone.
Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.
At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.
Jon Erik-Hexum was joking around between takes and mimicked committing suicide by playing Russian roulette with his revolver. He loaded just one blank, gave the cylinder a spin, placed the muzzle on his temple, and pulled the trigger. He was taken off life support 6 days later.
The Brandon Lee death was the result of an infuriating collection of multiple accidents/oversights and lack of knowledge and due diligence. First, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a revolver by an accident with the manufacture of the ammo. A dummy round for photography was assembled using no powder but someone left the primer in the case. When the gun was fired, the bullet wound up stuck in the barrel. The person who fired it didn't know enough about guns to know that something was wrong. The gun wrangler didn't adequately check the piece (or check it at all?) before it was used again. At the next use, a regular blank was used from a distance of 12 to 15 feet, which would have been safe for a blank. It was not safe with a bullet in the barrel, though, and that bullet struck Brandon Lee in the stomach. The folks on set didn't realize he'd been shot and thought the reason he was unconscious was that he had struck his head when he fell (which he was supposed to do) at the end of the scene. It took a few minutes to realize that there was more wrong. I don't know if that was a big factor in his death but a delay in the start of treatment is never good. Anyway, after 5 or 6 hours of surgery, he succumbed.
After those high-profile deaths, the industry by-laws were amended. It's supposed to be a violation of the standard Screen Actors Guild and International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees contracts to point a "functional firearm" on set at any SAG or IATSE member, no matter the distance. Prop guns are supposed to be only used with blanks from safe distances. And anywhere that the firearm isn't in a close-up and doesn't have to be fired, it's supposed to be a completely non-functional dummy gun. That's why you occasionally run across those solid rubber, molded firearms replicas. They're intended for on-screen, background use.
Also, the standard gun-handling protocols were changed. In theory, the gun wrangler should hold the gun until it's time to start, hand the gun to the actor for the scene, and take it away after the shot is done. In practice, that's impossible. There are often too many guns in a shot or the shot is being repeated so many times in a row that there's no time for the hand-off. Still, they're supposed to try. The idea is that the gun wrangler will have control over the piece during the times when something about it could be made unsafe. They're supposed to do that to the extent that it's practical. If that protocol had been followed, even partially, neither Brandon Lee nor Jon-Erik Hexum would have died.
It's pretty clear that the folks on set of this latest accident were failing to follow several of their own rules.
ETA - I see I've been well and truly ninja'd. That's what I get for taking so long to compose something so, well, long.
It should be mandatory for the rules of firearms be acknowledged and followed where firearms are going to be used. And the person in charge of firearm props should go over the weapon with the actor before every use.The "master of arms" on set, aka the gun wrangler. I hope that, whoever he is, he never works in that job again.
The reports I've seen indicate that this might not have been live ammo. It might have been a barrel obstruction that was blown out of the barrel by a blank. In any event, that shouldn't happen. That's the biggest job of the gun wrangler, to keep actors from shooting anyone.
Apparently not. This happened at some distance, according to the reports I've read.
At least a couple of times. Both Jon Erik-Hexum and Brandon Lee died from gun accidents on set and those are the two most famous cases. There have been others, unfortunately.
Jon Erik-Hexum was joking around between takes and mimicked committing suicide by playing Russian roulette with his revolver. He loaded just one blank, gave the cylinder a spin, placed the muzzle on his temple, and pulled the trigger. He was taken off life support 6 days later.
The Brandon Lee death was the result of an infuriating collection of multiple accidents/oversights and lack of knowledge and due diligence. First, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a revolver by an accident with the manufacture of the ammo. A dummy round for photography was assembled using no powder but someone left the primer in the case. When the gun was fired, the bullet wound up stuck in the barrel. The person who fired it didn't know enough about guns to know that something was wrong. The gun wrangler didn't adequately check the piece (or check it at all?) before it was used again. At the next use, a regular blank was used from a distance of 12 to 15 feet, which would have been safe for a blank. It was not safe with a bullet in the barrel, though, and that bullet struck Brandon Lee in the stomach. The folks on set didn't realize he'd been shot and thought the reason he was unconscious was that he had struck his head when he fell (which he was supposed to do) at the end of the scene. It took a few minutes to realize that there was more wrong. I don't know if that was a big factor in his death but a delay in the start of treatment is never good. Anyway, after 5 or 6 hours of surgery, he succumbed.
After those high-profile deaths, the industry by-laws were amended. It's supposed to be a violation of the standard Screen Actors Guild and International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees contracts to point a "functional firearm" on set at any SAG or IATSE member, no matter the distance. Prop guns are supposed to be only used with blanks from safe distances. And anywhere that the firearm isn't in a close-up and doesn't have to be fired, it's supposed to be a completely non-functional dummy gun. That's why you occasionally run across those solid rubber, molded firearms replicas. They're intended for on-screen, background use.
Also, the standard gun-handling protocols were changed. In theory, the gun wrangler should hold the gun until it's time to start, hand the gun to the actor for the scene, and take it away after the shot is done. In practice, that's impossible. There are often too many guns in a shot or the shot is being repeated so many times in a row that there's no time for the hand-off. Still, they're supposed to try. The idea is that the gun wrangler will have control over the piece during the times when something about it could be made unsafe. They're supposed to do that to the extent that it's practical. If that protocol had been followed, even partially, neither Brandon Lee nor Jon-Erik Hexum would have died.
It's pretty clear that the folks on set of this latest accident were failing to follow several of their own rules.
ETA - I see I've been well and truly ninja'd. That's what I get for taking so long to compose something so, well, long.