Lawful use of force-deadly force?

[txinvestigator]

So I gotta carry a video camera and OC spray so I can be adequately prepared for whatever eventuality? Get real, soon you’ll be saying I also need a taser and a knife and god knows what else to be properly arrayed.

Some places you can’t fight back with more than is displayed against you. Texas was that way in the 70’s. So if a burglar trapped you in an upstairs bath and all he had was a 6” Bowie then you had to excuse yourself to go to the kitchen and grab any knife under 6” so you could have a knife fight with the burglar.

This OC and video “stuff” being always at hand is just as dumb.


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None of that is true. OC is a smart tool to carry.

 

[Younggun]

Not that it matters, but 99% of Americans have a video camera on them 24/7.

 

[zincwarrior]

No one said you've got to carry anything, but the smart guy would carry some OC when practical. It maintains a reactionary gap and is only force, which in reality is going to be the answer to many more scenarios than my pistol. A pistol is definitely the right tool for the job sometimes, but it shouldnt be the only tool you have.

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Getting into an OC spray battle with a road rager is more dumb than a box of rocks. Roll up your window and leave. If you can't leave and they break the window then you have a reasonable fear if grievous bodily harm. Trying to spray them while you are in an enclosed vehicle, yeah that's crazy.

( Note I carry pepper spray when walking dogs so I am not averse to it generally.)

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So I gotta carry a video camera and OC spray so I can be adequately prepared for whatever eventuality? Get real, soon you’ll be saying I also need a taser and a knife and god knows what else to be properly arrayed.

Some places you can’t fight back with more than is displayed against you. Texas was that way in the 70’s. So if a burglar trapped you in an upstairs bath and all he had was a 6” Bowie then you had to excuse yourself to go to the kitchen and grab any knife under 6” so you could have a knife fight with the burglar.

This OC and video “stuff” being always at hand is just as dumb.


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I thought pretty much everybody had a dash cam nowadays.

 

[Younggun]

I thought pretty much everybody had a dash cam nowadays.

Or a phone

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Or a phone

Very true, but as of 9/1, driving while using a phone is illegal, and the dash cam catches everything from the beginning. The phone only catches when it is turned on, which is usually after the initial infraction.

 

[Kar98]

Very true, but as of 9/1, driving while using a phone is illegal

While I'm applauding your broad application of the law, it only says reading or composing an electronic message, be that SMS, Whatsapp, iMessages, tindr, grindr, Twitter, Facebook, etc. is illegal. Other forms of hand-held phone use, such as using GPS maps, selecting songs on Spotify or making phone calls, are still legal.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

While I'm applauding your broad application of the law, it only says reading or composing an electronic message, be that SMS, Whatsapp, iMessages, tindr, grindr, Twitter, Facebook, etc. is illegal. Other forms of hand-held phone use, such as using GPS maps, selecting songs on Spotify or making phone calls, are still legal.

Just curious, you did not include filming videos in your list of legal phone usage.
Was that just missed in your post, or would that be illegal?

 

[Kar98]

Just curious, you did not include filming videos in your list of legal phone usage.
Was that just missed in your post, or would that be illegal?

I didn't see filming videos mentioned explicitly, and since this is America, not Germany, everything not banned outright is allowed. The only thing that's banned outright by this new law as of 9/1, in Texas, is reading or writing electronic messages. IANAL tho.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I didn't see filming videos mentioned explicitly, and since this is America, not Germany, everything not banned outright is allowed. The only thing that's banned outright by this new law as of 9/1, in Texas, is reading or writing electronic messages. IANAL tho.

YG, and I were talking about using phones and dash cams to video the conflict.

ETA: I might have misunderstood your first sentence.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

My GF was pulled over in a school zone 2 weeks ago while applying chap stick.
The officer claimed she was on the phone.
This is not relevant, I just thought I would mention it.

 

[Kar98]

YG, and I were talking about using phones and dash cams to video the conflict.

ETA: I might have misunderstood your first sentence.

That happens occasionally with sentences of mine I'm saying reading and writing electronic messages has been banned state-wide. Anything else you do with a phone is still legal on a state level, but local laws going further than that have not been voided.

Distracted driving in general, like applying chapstick or swerving or doing 20 under in the left lane while talking on the phone is a different law/paragraph.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It was my understanding that hands-free devices must be used while driving.
Is that not correct?

 

[Younggun]

"Lawful use of cellular recording devices"

 

[Kar98]

It was my understanding that hands-free devices must be used while driving.
Is that not correct?

You can still use a hands-free device to have messages read to you and reply to them, i.e. text to speech and voice recognition. No hands-free devices necessary to make a phone call, look up an address or change your streaming station.

 

[TxStetson]

My GF was pulled over in a school zone 2 weeks ago while applying chap stick.
The officer claimed she was on the phone.
This is not relevant, I just thought I would mention it.

Talking on the phone while in a school zone has been illegal for a few years now.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Sure, but she was not on the phone.
It was in her purse.

 

[easy rider]

What??? Am I the only one that thought a body cam was a requirement for LTC?

 

[robertc1024]

What??? Am I the only one that thought a body cam was a requirement for LTC?

Well, my camera lens is in my LTC badge. I leave the batteries in my LTC sash - helps hold the weight more comfortably.

 

[txinvestigator]

My GF was pulled over in a school zone 2 weeks ago while applying chap stick.
The officer claimed she was on the phone.
This is not relevant, I just thought I would mention it.

Were you in the car with her?

Was she ticketed?