Yes, I read that on their site...Its a group of people that are either military, LE or former military, LE that have sworn to uphold the oath that we took when we enlisted or joined a LE agency. Basically they are saying that if the order came down to do house to house seizers or attack the people we will refuse to follow those orders.
My oath of enlistment was about protecting the Constitution. I was never released from that oath.
Please explain....you lost me. It appears Harley and you are saying the exact same thing. WHy does this make you not take Oathkeepers seriously?I guess this is why I don't take the Oath Keepers seriously. When you enlist, you take an oath. That doesn't change because the people above you don't follow their oath.
The group does seem to be on the radar of federal law enforcement officers. In May, a member complained on the group's website of a visit to his farm by FBI agents who asked him, he said, about training he provides in firearms, survival skills and the like.
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) seems to have labeled the oath keepers as a right wing patriot group that bears watching.........
here is a link to one article on their site but they are mentioned in several places on SPLC as supporting some theories about concentration camps and such.
about half-way down the article under a paragraph heading called "swearing at the government.".
The Second Wave | Southern Poverty Law Center
i would study this group very carefully before i commit my name to a database.............
it may be legit..........it may be a trojan horse.
many LEO admin might view joining as a red flag with such analysis from SPLC.
very good.
it seems the SPLC does have the ear of the feds. I do not know if that extends to the State and to TCLEOSE.
Please explain....you lost me. It appears Harley and you are saying the exact same thing. WHy does this make you not take Oathkeepers seriously?
I went on the Oath Keeper site. I like what they say, but I think I think every serviceman who signs up makes that decision then. That is a very serious decision. I guess I just don't see the need to have a group that basically says they'll do what they've already sworn to do. It isn't a bad thing to re-state that. Maybe hint to the people in charge that they only have powers that they have been given by the people.
Not really a bad thing, but it shouldn't neccessary.
As a disclaimer, I'm not an LEO or military.
As an aside, what kind of oath do LEO's take?
ditto!My oath of enlistment was about protecting the Constitution. I was never released from that oath.
I think the idea is that our federal govt has already demonstrated that they will order LEO and military to do things that are unconstitutional and/or immoral/illegal (i.e. Hurricane Katrina, Ruby Ridge, Waco...etc) this is not an endoresment of David Koresh!!!
As far as our oath:
"I, _______________, do solemnly sweear that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of Police Officer for the City of ___________, and will to the best of my abilities, preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States and of the State of Texas, and enforce the ordinances of the City of ______________ and I further solemnly swear that I have not directly or indirectly paid, offered or promised to pay, contributed, nor promised to contribute any money or valueable thing, or promised any public office or employment as a reward to secure my appointment or the confimation thereof, so help me God."