Open Carry of Long Guns.

[Fisherman777]

Yeah, you're going to have to fill us in on how that went down. I'm all ears.

I'd kinda like to hear about that my self.

 

[craigntx]

Yeah, you're going to have to fill us in on how that went down. I'm all ears.

they made me hunch over the bike, one took my wallet out of my pocket. once they saw i wasn't a bad guy, we had a fun little convo about guns.
i had told them it wasn't illegal, what i was doing. they admitted such but said "it (oc) isn't something you see every day.

i had a disassembled colt 6920 strapped across the back seat, cased, they checked for mods, hehe

 

[Bithabus]

they made me hunch over the bike, one took my wallet out of my pocket. once they saw i wasn't a bad guy, we had a fun little convo about guns.
i had told them it wasn't illegal, what i was doing. they admitted such but said "it (oc) isn't something you see every day.

i had a disassembled colt 6920 strapped across the back seat, cased, they checked for mods, hehe

So they stopped you without reasonable suspicion, admitted they knew they were conducting an illegal stop, basically stole your wallet, then searched a container on your vehicle also without justification?

 

[txinvestigator]

So they stopped you without reasonable suspicion, admitted they knew they were conducting an illegal stop, basically stole your wallet, then searched a container on your vehicle also without justification?

There was reasonable suspicion for the stop. They did not conduct an illegal stop, they did not "steal" his wallet (please refer to the penal code for "theft") and I don't believe the search was without justification (see Terry vs Ohio).

Come on man.

 

[craigntx]

There was reasonable suspicion for the stop. They did not conduct an illegal stop, they did not "steal" his wallet (please refer to the penal code for "theft") and I don't believe the search was without justification (see Terry vs Ohio).

Come on man.

the stop itself was w/0 justification (except i was kinda hauling a)
the search- i understand about that, i coulda had a stashed pistol

 

[Bithabus]

There was reasonable suspicion for the stop. They did not conduct an illegal stop, they did not "steal" his wallet (please refer to the penal code for "theft") and I don't believe the search was without justification (see Terry vs Ohio).

Come on man.

What was the RAS? He didn't say he was speeding, or violating any laws.

Justification for a search under Terry involves suspicion that someone is armed and dangerous, not just armed, IIRC. And a Terry frisk does not give justification to take someone's wallet. Weapons or drugs sure, but a wallet?

Also everything you quoted was in the form of a question. I suspect there is more to the story, and craig did subsequently admit he was speeding.

 

[Bithabus]

the stop itself was w/0 justification (except i was kinda hauling a)
the search- i understand about that, i coulda had a stashed pistol

So they stopped you for speeding?

 

[craigntx]

So they stopped you for speeding?

no they told me someone called in on me. they caught up with me as i was coming home, albiet speeding a little

 

[MR Redneck]

What was the RAS? He didn't say he was speeding, or violating any laws.

Justification for a search under Terry involves suspicion that someone is armed and dangerous, not just armed, IIRC. And a Terry frisk does not give justification to take someone's wallet. Weapons or drugs sure, but a wallet?

Also everything you quoted was in the form of a question. I suspect there is more to the story, and craig did subsequently admit he was speeding.

Here a few years ago a DPS stopped me for no reason at all. I liked his attitude toward things and he pretty much liked mine.
They were looking for somebody, thats all I can figure because he stopped me for no reason at all.
First question he asked, Where was I going, Doesnt matter I said.
Second question, Got any guns, I said doesnt matter, but yea!
Third, any drugs in the truck, I said, Hell No.
Fourth, he asked if I had anything illegal on me or in my wallet. Getting annoyed I attempted to hand the guy my wallet and said have a look, I got places to be.

The DPS officer told me he took an oath to uphold the state and federal Constitution and said he could not search my files and wouldnt take my wallet.
We had a conversation about gun, being legal and all, unless your a felon of restricted by some kind of crime. He checked my license and gave it back to me.
I asked him if it was difficult to be that way about the constitution and do what is expected of him. He really didnt say anything but I think it would be very hard to unhold the U.S. Constitution by a conservitive Law Man when state laws infringe on those rights you swore to.
He was a pretty good guy and actually tought me some stuff that day.

So to conclude, I think those cops violated your right when they took your wallet!! Might not be against state law, I really dont know, but those are your personal files and should require a warrant to remove!!!

 

[Stumpy]

Hahaha y'all guess what? I'm sitting here at the dps(in Midland) renewing my drivers license and I overhear these guys talking about long guns and open carry. And I hear one of them say that his dad was the one carrying the ar15 in downtown midland and everyone freaked out several months back. He then said "he brags about it a lot".
Lol, how about that?

 

[Stumpy]

Hahaha y'all guess what? I'm sitting here at the dps(in Midland) renewing my drivers license and I overhear these guys talking about long guns and open carry. And I hear one of them say that his dad was the one carrying the ar15 in downtown midland and everyone freaked out several months back. He then said "he brags about it a lot".
Lol, how about that?

 

[MR Redneck]

Hahaha y'all guess what? I'm sitting here at the dps(in Midland) renewing my drivers license and I overhear these guys talking about long guns and open carry. And I hear one of them say that his dad was the one carrying the ar15 in downtown midland and everyone freaked out several months back. He then said "he brags about it a lot".
Lol, how about that?