Open Handgun Carry in Texas? If not, WHY not?

[Vaquero]

Btw i watched the open carry rally in Arlington on the news, the manager called 911, and several patrons were scared. Think those people were now sympathetic to our cause or did we look like nuts? We love guns but the majority of sheep out there are easily swayed and open carry makes them easy pickins for the scumbag gun grabbers..

So, if we go hide they'll forget about us and leave us alone?
Im not following.

 

[Wbaumer]

In this era of mass shootings, the last thing the public wants to see is a bunch of guys walking around with ar 15s strapped to their backs. You can make very powerful arguments for ccw and the 2nd amendment. I would liken it to a pro abortion supporter. Which i am not btw. They believe in unfettered access to abortion even in the third trimester. Well that is disgusting to the public because a fetus looks a lot more human and killing it is revolting. Now abortion in the first trimester they get away with because there are no pictures of a fully formed fetus to blare all over the news so it is not so politically charged. Same w open carry, it is an overreach that our enemies will capitalize on. Gun nuts want right to carry assault rifles openly anywhere blares cnn, huffington post etc. not worth the fight IMO. Obviously others think it is, i dont.

 

[Wbaumer]

I think open carry is premature. We barely beat back an assault weapons ban and the gungrabbers are looking for victories. Maybe in a few years. Btw just because i oppose open carry now does not make us enemies, just friends who disagree....

 

[txbikerman]

I think open carry is premature. We barely beat back an assault weapons ban and the gungrabbers are looking for victories. Maybe in a few years. Btw just because i oppose open carry now does not make us enemies, just friends who disagree....

I don't care what the gungrabbers think. They want our guns, they are not getting them. Nothing we do will change their minds. So to hell with them. If someone wants to open carry, let them. If you don't, then don't.


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[Wbaumer]

I don't care what the gungrabbers think. They want our guns, they are not getting them. Nothing we do will change their minds. So to hell with them. If someone wants to open carry, let them. If you don't, then don't.




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You are missing the point. The gun grabbers will always oppose gun rights, so screw them. What i want are the voters sitting in that restaurant on our side for gun rights and walking around with ar-15s strapped to your back outside their restaurant at lunch is not going to make them sympathetic.

 

[txbikerman]

You are missing the point. The gun grabbers will always oppose gun rights, so screw them. What i want are the voters sitting in that restaurant on our side for gun rights and walking around with ar-15s strapped to your back outside their restaurant at lunch is not going to make them sympathetic.

We have the gun rights. It is called the 2nd amendment. No matter what you believe, some won't change. I am opposed to abortion. Nothing anybody can say or do will change my opinion. Its the same way with guns.


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[Younggun]

The idea that OC will spur the antis is ridiculous. Your point are a mirror if the arguments against CC. As I mentioned, other states are already doing this and it's not causing any of the things you claim it will.

You say it "premature" yet you also admit that the antis will always be after the 2A. When would be the right time?

So lets say we give up on OC for the sake of appeasing the antis. Do we do the same when they turn their sights on CC for the sake of saving out standard capacity magazines? They will not stop because we give, that has been proven time and time again. Their idea of compromise means we give up only some of the rights they want us to and then they come back for a little more 6 months later.

Your abortion comparison is flawed. It is not possible to have an abortion without taking an innocent life. It is perfectly normal to carry a gun daily without endangering any innocent lives.


You have repeated your opinion several times now. I'm hoping that you will choose to support it with some kind of evidence that any of your fears are grounded in reality. With out that you begin to look like a troll.

 

[hellishhorses]

Arizona, Arkansas, Oklahoma — just a few nearby states with high praise to open carry. You don't see the public crying about open carry, don't see bad guys disarming open carriers. For the most part, it's a non-issue. Texas would be no different.

And if we scared the weak, crybaby, gun-grabbing liberals out of our state, I'm sorry, I just don't see a problem.

 

[Rhino]

Amen!

 

[Renegade]

I think open carry is premature. We barely beat back an assault weapons ban and the gungrabbers are looking for victories. Maybe in a few years. Btw just because i oppose open carry now does not make us enemies, just friends who disagree....

What was premature was banning OC in the first place. There was no evidence the big bad newly freed slave was going to do anything malicious with an handgun.

OC of handguns was outlawed 142 years ago. We are just trying to get our gun rights back. How much longer should we wait?

 

[TheDan]

You are missing the point.

I get your point, but you are missing everyone else's... It's a shame that you think a person's right to choose how they bear arms is subject to political whims. Should the 1st amendment be subject to the same political whims? How about the 4th?

 

[hellishhorses]

and "hurting someone's precious little feelings" aren't mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights

 

[Wbaumer]

and "hurting someone's precious little feelings" aren't mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights

I've stated my opinion and others have stated theirs, hopefully it will all work out.

 

[RobbieH]

My only worry is the jackoff that starts shooting because he never operated a firearm before purchasing one so he could simply be on the OC bandwagon. That would ABSOLUTELY happen.

Will the bad guys open carry as well? I'm an immense backer of our Bill of Rights, but I really don't see the point of OC, other than quicker, easier access. I personally don't necessarily want strangers in public to know I'm carrying, or what I have at home, or my beliefs, etc...

Now if its a matter of OC or don't carry at all, I'm OC all the way.

 

[Renegade]

My only worry is the jackoff that starts shooting because he never operated a firearm before purchasing one so he could simply be on the OC bandwagon. That would ABSOLUTELY happen.

If it will ABSOLUTELY happen, then you should have no problem documenting where it has already ABSOLUTELY happened, in current OC states like OK, AZ,AK, VT, VA, etc.

 

[RobbieH]

I have a big problem documenting that as I haven't performed a google search for those statistics. Now I'm curious..

I'll rephrase- It's my opinion it will ABSOLUTELY happen. 9 out of 10 doofuses I encounter every day I wouldn't trust with a toilet brush, much less a firearm. However, if they're legally allowed to own a firearm and an OC is in effect, then it is what it is..

 

[hellishhorses]

Doesn't/hasn't happened in open carry states yet. And the constitution doesn't protect the right of people RobbieH trusts. Your basic human rights are protected by the BOR, regardless of how deficient you are in the common sense department. I wouldn't carry openly in public, just as I also wouldn't walk down MLK wearing a "f--- 'n-word's" sign or go to gay parade and scream "F------!" but it's not my place or the governments' to stop somebody else from doing it.

 

[hellishhorses]

FBI studies have show that as gun ownership has increased since 1984 by over 100 million violent crime rates have fallen by half. This, of course, includes all guns in home, concealed & open carry so it won't answer any questions directly regarding open carry but:

From Arizona (probably the best example given it's diverse demographic and geography):
The Effect Of Open Carry On Violent Crime Rates | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog


ETA: El Paso mayor contributes low crime rates to gun ownership, despite bordering Mexico's most dangerous city
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_19496681 (saw it on Drugs, Inc.)

 

[RobbieH]

Your basic human rights are protected by the BOR, regardless of how deficient you are in the common sense department.

You are absolutely correct. And the mess that can create is immense, OC included.

 

[hellishhorses]

It gets really messy when you start taking those rights away — or at least it should.