Permitless carry ethics poll

[candcallen]

Maybe @benenglish could courtesy flush the noob and his thread so it's not used in some anti gun hit piece?

 

[Grey Pilgrim]

Wow I know some people here have been burned before by trolls and impostors but y’all need to calm down. If I start posting leftist propaganda feel free to start throwing tomatoes. If you want to know where I stand it’s in my first post. The laws are a mess, and we’d be better off if they just deleted basically all of chapter 30 of TPC. As it is, it’s a confusing maze of rules that leave people wondering if they’re going to inadvertently trespass and get in legal trouble while minding their own business.

I support true constitutional carry over what we have now, but every two years we inch closer and closer.

Roughly 1/3 of the responses were some variation of “**** off, you troll” and that’s disappointing. I’ve followed this forum for a long time and just wanted to join the conversation and get some honest opinions. Thanks for the warm welcome everyone else.

 

[V-Tach]

I want the OP's definition of a gun buster sign.....

No offense to ScottDLS.............

I think you understand why...............

 

[ScottDLS]

Wow I know some people here have been burned before by trolls and impostors but y’all need to calm down.

How do you know this if you joined Sept 3? OK I guess you could infer it from some of the responses. On the other hand the poll answer:

Respect the right of the property owner to forbid firearms if he wants to. I'll go somewhere else.

seems to imply: That a property owner, who otherwise opens his property to the public, has some right to the State's assistance in regulating other people's choices that are unobservable, and have no effect on anyone else. I can put up a "no fat chicks" sign on my store, but I don't expect the cops to come to throw out a "birthing person" of size if she should ignore it and enter my store. That and the fact that owner(s) intent or desires of how people behave are irrelevant to the law. If you don't like someone in your store, tell them to leave. Or put up a sign saying NO TRESPASSING so no one can come in. Don't put a toddler's crayon drawing of a frowny face and a squirt gun and expect us to discern that it means "your entry to this property is forbidden".

 

[TxStetson]

Wow I know some people here have been burned before by trolls and impostors but y’all need to calm down. If I start posting leftist propaganda feel free to start throwing tomatoes. If you want to know where I stand it’s in my first post. The laws are a mess, and we’d be better off if they just deleted basically all of chapter 30 of TPC. As it is, it’s a confusing maze of rules that leave people wondering if they’re going to inadvertently trespass and get in legal trouble while minding their own business.

I support true constitutional carry over what we have now, but every two years we inch closer and closer.

Roughly 1/3 of the responses were some variation of “**** off, you troll” and that’s disappointing. I’ve followed this forum for a long time and just wanted to join the conversation and get some honest opinions. Thanks for the warm welcome everyone else.

I wouldn’t usually respond to a poll or question like this on a public forum. My opinion is my business and of no concern to anyone else. But, just this once I’ll comment. You need another option that states “Concealed is concealed so **** ‘em.”

 

[Grey Pilgrim]

Maybe @benenglish could courtesy flush the noob and his thread so it's not used in some anti gun hit piece?

You're implying leftist anti gun hit pieces need facts or data to support them. As far as I can tell, most do not. Truth is not a left-wing value.

 

[V-Tach]

Pilgrim if I missed your introduction thread, my apologies.......that's where the warm fuzzy's are usually given....

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

I think we have another reincarnation.

 

[Grey Pilgrim]

I want the OP's definition of a gun buster sign.....

No offense to ScottDLS.............

I think you understand why...............

What ScottDLS said.

Or any sign that doesn't meet the legal requirements for that matter. Could be words, even, but not the right ones.

 

[ScottDLS]

You're implying leftist anti gun hit pieces need facts or data to support them. As far as I can tell, most do not. Truth is not a left-wing value.

OK Dennis Prager, maybe you're not a left wing troll. But I still want the choice proposed above:

I don't know or care what what the little ghostbusters sticker means, nor do I give a sh!t what the "owners" want, because I might even be one of them (owners).

 

[V-Tach]

I abide by all State and Federal laws.....

Always.....

 

[rotor]

What is the ethical side? It is either legal or not. Everyone that cares has already expressed their opinion.

 

[ScottDLS]

I abide by all State and Federal laws.....

Always.....

Have you ever driven through a school zone with a gun without a license from the state in which said school zone is located?

 

[Grey Pilgrim]

How do you know this if you joined Sept 3? OK I guess you could infer it from some of the responses.

Like I said I've been following this forum for years (including being subscribed to the emails) and have used it often as a source for gun-related news and politics but just haven't participated before. CC this year, riots and shootings last year (this was the best source of info for a long time on that kid in Kenosha--anyone know what happened to him?), OC before that...

You do realize this is a public forum and anyone can read it whether they have an account or not, right?

 

[V-Tach]

Have you ever driven through a school zone with a gun without a license from the state in which said school zone is located?

No...

 

[ScottDLS]

ScottDLS said:
Have you ever driven through a school zone with a gun without a license from the state in which said school zone is located?

No...

Get out of Texas much? OK ripped the tag off your mattress?

 

[V-Tach]

You do realize this is a public forum and anyone can read it whether they have an account or not, right?

Including the Feds.........

Which is why no one should ever admit to anything illegal......

 

[easy rider]

Where I lose track with all these arguments about invalid signs is why the fûck am I supposed to be the gôddamned mind reader here. Proprietors are given plenty of guidance within the codes.

If they can’t follow that shît, why should I think they’re fûcking bright enough to comply with the rest of the complex regulations they’re responsible for while doing business.

I’ve changed my mind; if you’re too retarded to post a compliant sign, I’m not gonna continue to help you stay in business to feed yourself.

I was going to reply to your first post, but then I saw this one. I don't mind if a business doesn't want to see people openly carry, but doesn't try to restrict them completely. Even if a business is ignorant of the laws, if they post signs intending to restrict guns completely, that says to me they don't want my business, and I'll comply and spend my money elsewhere. I don't support ignorance.

Glad you changed your mind.

 

[candcallen]

What are the ETHICS of opening a business to the public begging them to come in and then putting them in danger by disarming them and not providing armed security?

 

[ScottDLS]

Including the Feds.........

Which is why no one should ever admit to anything illegal......

So you mean, I can't talk about the time I stole Boss Hog's car and jumped the crick with Sheriff Roscoe chasin' me? Hazzard County DA doesn't know 'bout that, but they will now.