Police fear 'war on cops'

[Texan2]

kinda like this.

Give me an example of when you think you should be able to use deadly force where you cant use it now. I cant think of a case.

 

[zembonez]

kinda like this.

I can go along with that.

 

[Bithabus]

kinda like this.

Isn't that how things are currently?

 

[Texan2]

Isn't that how things are currently?

You beat me to it.

 

[MR Redneck]

kinda like this.

The only problem with brandishing a gun toward another human being , is how do you know their a criminal?
Violent criminals should be dead no dought, but this needs a lot more than shooting someone simply because they brandish a gun.

For further reference, consult the Arizona Penal code. They have perfected all these laws. HeHeHaHa.

 

[Bithabus]

The only problem with brandishing a gun toward another human being , is how do you know their a criminal?
Violent criminals should be dead no dought, but this needs a lot more than shooting someone simply because they brandish a gun.

For further reference, consult the Arizona Penal code. They have perfected all these laws. HeHeHaHa.

If someone "brandishes a gun towards" you, In Texas, you should shoot him, and you would get no-billed.

 

[Texan2]

For further reference, consult the Arizona Penal code. They have perfected all these laws.

I have yet to see the deficiency in Texas laws.

 

[MR Redneck]

If someone "brandishes a gun towards" you, In Texas, you should shoot him, and you would get no-billed.

What if your the one doing the brandishing? I have had several POS's looking down the barrel of a shotgun. Anyone other than the arresting cop pulls a gun will get their ass shot.
See what I mean.....

 

[MR Redneck]

I have yet to see the deficiency in Texas laws.

Arizona law now allows a person to brandish a weapon to deter crime.
Brandishing is a two sided subject. Having your hand on your weapon ready to draw isnt against the law in Arizona either.

 

[Texan2]

Arizona law now allows a person to brandish a weapon to deter crime.
Brandishing is a two sided subject. Having your hand on your weapon ready to draw isnt against the law in Arizona either.

In Texas if deadly force is justified, the threat of deadly force is justified.

But to clarify, are you telling me that in AZ if a kid is stealing a pack of gum you can draw and point your gun at him?

 

[Bithabus]

What if your the one doing the brandishing? I have had several POS's looking down the barrel of a shotgun. Anyone other than the arresting cop pulls a gun will get their ass shot.

You can legally use deadly force to stop unlawful deadly force. If you're lawfully pointing a gun at someone, then they can't lawfully use deadly force against you in response to your gun pointing.

See what I mean.....

No. I'm not a criminal, so if anyone brandishes a gun towards me I will shoot them. Simple.

 

[MR Redneck]

In Texas if deadly force is justified, the threat of deadly force is justified.

But to clarify, are you telling me that in AZ if a kid is stealing a pack of gum you can draw and point your gun at him?

I didnt say that, you did.

 

[Texan2]

Arizona law now allows a person to brandish a weapon to deter crime.

So let me repeat my question....if a kid is stealing a pack of gum in Arizona are you saying that it is legal to point a gun at them?

 

[Bithabus]

So let me repeat my question....if a kid is stealing a pack of gun in Arizona are you saying that it is legal to point a gun at them?

Don't know about AZ, but it is in Texas.

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

Sec. 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

 

[Texan2]

I have yet to see anything better about AZ law.

 

[Bithabus]

I have yet to see anything better about AZ law.

Me neither. Our use of force laws are the best in the country.

 

[MR Redneck]

So let me repeat my question....if a kid is stealing a pack of gum in Arizona are you saying that it is legal to point a gun at them?

I dont think about such crap. Someone would have to be a complete POS to shoot a kid over something not life threatening. I almost shot a kid one time for trying to steal parts out of the back of my truck in the middle of the night. As soon as I noticed the theif was a 12 year old child everything changed. I held the kid there untill the cops showed up. Then we found out his step dad made him do it. I got my statisfaction when his step dad came to pick the boy up!!!
The only person around here that I ever known of who shot a child was a cop. The kid didnt have any weapons either. That was several year ago. Althow I do remember a story from a couple of years ago when a homeowner shot a 18 year old punk in the ass with a 45 for breaking into his SUV. That was pretty funny. People got a good laugh out of that for quite a while.

 

[MR Redneck]

Me neither. Our use of force laws are the best in the country.

I agree Texas use of force laws are great. The only probelm we have is the laws againts the tools of the trade. Arizona has some laws that I think would compliment the Texas use of force laws in the most positive way.

 

[Bithabus]

I agree Texas use of force laws are great. The only probelm we have is the laws againts the tools of the trade. Arizona has some laws that I think would compliment the Texas use of force laws in the most positive way.

I agree.

Although if I had to choose a system, I'd take TX.

 

[MR Redneck]

I agree.

Although if I had to choose a system, I'd take TX.

Sure. With some more gun legislation, crime resistance in Texas would almost be perfect.
Now let's work on some of these worthless gun law's..