Proliferation of 30.06 signs by Municipalities

[cbigclarke]

Let's see what the Constitution says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Looks like governments do have rights.

Powers hommie. Not rights.

If a government has rights; we have tyranny.

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[karlac]

Powers hommie. Not rights.

If a government has rights; we have tyranny.

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BINGO! "We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem; and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem"

Don't know who to rightly attribute that to, but whoever, he hit the nail on the head.

 

[inceptor]

BINGO! "We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem; and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem"

Don't know who to rightly attribute that to, but whoever, he hit the nail on the head.

Joe Rogan tweeted, “This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.”

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[Acera]

You betcha, Bubba, a 13'er, checking in _just_ to annoy you. Get used to it.

All I can say to that is "Welcome".

Glad to have fresh voices with balls.

 

[Renegade]

All I can say to that is "Welcome".

Glad to have fresh voices with balls.

He has a long way to go before he annoys anyone. Right now he is just amusing.

 

[karlac]

He has a long way to go before he annoys anyone. Right now he is just amusing.

Stick around ...

 

[PPTerry]

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[TexasRedneck]

30.06 signs must be compliant in all respects with applicable law. You can find those requirements on the Texas DPS website. If they don't comply FULLY, they are unenforceable.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Hhmmm....I don't carry a firearm, so perhaps there's an excuse for my ignorance. Please explain to me why "properly-worded" 30.06 signs are not enforceable? Are the referenced signs not posted at the correct height? Is the font of incorrect size or color? Do such signs have to have some sort of official, state-of-Texas stamp for them to be legal/enforceable? Thanks.

While there are specific height, language and color requirements, I think karlac's post referred to the fact that the sign was unenforceable because it was on city/county owned property. Unless such property falls under one of the other exemptions (such as a professional sporting event or courthouse), or there is an official government meeting going on, it can't be validly posted with a 30.06 sign even if such sign is otherwise physically compliant.

 

[txinvestigator]

Seeing a recent proliferation of properly worded, but unenforceable, 30.06 signage on city properties these days (even our city's maintenance garage has one posted), it's almost like Texas' city managers/council members have attended a seminar and decided that, since no penalty is involved, it's OK to use the signage for intimidation/feel good purposes? It is my understanding, although in contravention of State statutes, it is not an illegal act to post these signs; and I agree it's likely best to let sleeping, unenforceable dogs lie and not draw attention to them, but the proliferation is nonetheless disturbing./QUOTE]

Hhmmm....I don't carry a firearm, so perhaps there's an excuse for my ignorance. Please explain to me why "properly-worded" 30.06 signs are not enforceable? Are the referenced signs not posted at the correct height? Is the font of incorrect size or color? Do such signs have to have some sort of official, state-of-Texas stamp for them to be legal/enforceable? Thanks.

30.06 is not enforceable on government property with few exceptions.

 

[Driller]

Seems strange in these tough economic times a municipality would spend precious funds on unenforceable signs? As a tax payer I would be a little upset that some cheaper missing stop signs somewhere would be replaced instead.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Not only does the city of Austin waste money on the signs, they have two guards manning metal detectors all day at City Hall. Sometimes even in the evenings if there is a council meeting going on.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

I don't deal with govt buildings much and need a refresher-what's the law on carrying concealed in a govt building (library, city hall, etc....)?

 

[karlac]

Seems strange in these tough economic times a municipality would spend precious funds on unenforceable signs? As a tax payer I would be a little upset that some cheaper missing stop signs somewhere would be replaced instead.

With a little help from HCAD, taxpayer's hard earned dollars are Monopoly money to the managers of these municipalities in densely populated areas. Using those tax dollars to scoff at State laws, even if it is not in a manner that both confuses and intimidates, as posting these unenforceable signs does, should be an illegal act by any reasonable assessment.

 

[txinvestigator]

With a little help from HCAD, taxpayer's hard earned dollars are Monopoly money to the managers of these municipalities in densely populated areas. Using those tax dollars to scoff at State laws, even if it is not in a manner that both confuses and intimidates, as posting these unenforceable signs does, should be an illegal act by any reasonable assessment.

A bill was introduced this past legislative session (83R) that would have done just that. It did not survive.

 

[txinvestigator]

I don't deal with govt buildings much and need a refresher-what's the law on carrying concealed in a govt building (library, city hall, etc....)?

Premises of courts or offices utilized by the courts are off limits under penal code 46.03. Secured areas of airports (most are government owned) are off limits, meetings of government entities are off limits if the provide notice under 30.06.

Libraries and other goverent owned facilities are not subject to 30.06. That means the govt cannot enforce 30.06 in places not specifically listed in the law. That includes city hall.

 

[txinvestigator]

Not only does the city of Austin waste money on the signs, they have two guards manning metal detectors all day at City Hall. Sometimes even in the evenings if there is a council meeting going on.

Does the Austin City Hall house courts?

 

[Renegade]

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[London]

Seems strange in these tough economic times a municipality would spend precious funds on unenforceable signs? As a tax payer I would be a little upset that some cheaper missing stop signs somewhere would be replaced instead.

Wanna really get worked up? My "Broke" community college just wasted a bunch of money posting them on all doors. No contrasting colors, letters WAY too small. Not to mention 30.06 doesn't apply to college campuses (carry there is already illegal under another section of the penal code).

 

[London]

I don't deal with govt buildings much and need a refresher-what's the law on carrying concealed in a govt building (library, city hall, etc....)?

Depends on the Gov. building. Most of the time it's okay. Schoolhouses and court buildings are notable exceptions. You can carry at the State capital, which is cool.

Federal buildings have their own laws. The post office is a point of much debate. Military bases are almost always gun free zones thanks to their idiot commanders.