Red Flag law discussion

[Inspector43]

I remember when you wanted a specific gun you would order it and wait perhaps several weeks for it to arrive at the dealer. Same with anything that wasn't on the shelf. Today, the instant background checks provide instant gratification and delivery. If I want a new AR15 I don't mind waiting a few days. If a person wants one right now there may be an issue that we don't see. And there should be a time period to wait.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

If the Parkland shooter had come into my office at any point, no question that commitment would have never come up. He wouldn’t have met criteria for that. Not unless he would have disclosed that in a session. And people that aren’t flaming psychotics don’t disclose quite that much. They really do know better to go that far; even if their trust their provider. They know the drill.

Dispelling evil is not something that mental health providers can do.

Maybe a priest with holy water might have better luck?

 

[Sublime]

Yes AND others though.

You know how many weird, edgy kids I treat who trust me enough to talk to me in treatment? A LOT. Can’t commit them all.

You know how many are gonna talk to me if I have to give the disclaimer that if they say ONE word about anything south of Vanilla that they will be hauled into a looney bin? None.

And if I don’t tell them and that is just what we start doing as a discipline, then word will get around and no one will talk in treatment.

That is exactly what BHO proposed in the VA. How many vets are gonna get help if they know the shrink is gonna turn them in. Same thing in LEO shootings. What should I tell the shrink to get back on duty. It is all about vicarious liability not about helping those that are mentally suffering thru crap.
After working with CPS, I felt the need to see a therapist some for stress but mostly to head off a termination I felt was coming. The general practitioner wanted to put me on some type of anti depressant! I was like WTF? I used someone in our EAP program and it helped.

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[Sublime]

I remember when you wanted a specific gun you would order it and wait perhaps several weeks for it to arrive at the dealer. Same with anything that wasn't on the shelf. Today, the instant background checks provide instant gratification and delivery. If I want a new AR15 I don't mind waiting a few days. If a person wants one right now there may be an issue that we don't see. And there should be a time period to wait.

Waiting periods or "cooling off" periods have proven to be ineffective as well.

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[oldag]

I remember when you wanted a specific gun you would order it and wait perhaps several weeks for it to arrive at the dealer. Same with anything that wasn't on the shelf. Today, the instant background checks provide instant gratification and delivery. If I want a new AR15 I don't mind waiting a few days. If a person wants one right now there may be an issue that we don't see. And there should be a time period to wait.

Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, have to wait to purchase a gun?

I don't have to wait to purchase a car, which can (and has) been used to kill a number of people.

 

[TheMailMan]

Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, have to wait to purchase a gun?

I don't have to wait to purchase a car, which can (and has) been used to kill a number of people.

I already may have guns, what use is a waiting period in that case? Also waiting periods could easily be abused.

 

[easy rider]

It sucks that I have a waiting period when I decide to buy a gun.

I only get paid once a month.

 

[easy rider]

If the Parkland shooter had come into my office at any point, no question that commitment would have never come up. He wouldn’t have met criteria for that. Not unless he would have disclosed that in a session. And people that aren’t flaming psychotics don’t disclose quite that much. They really do know better to go that far; even if their trust their provider. They know the drill.

Dispelling evil is not something that mental health providers can do.

Maybe a priest with holy water might have better luck?

Don't get me wrong, I am opposed to "Red Flag Laws" because I don't think they will be implemented as they should, but don't you think that the Parkland shooter should have been at least investigated a little better?
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/5895...of-parkland-shooting-suspect-comes-into-focus
I find this an informative subject and I'm just trying to pick your brain.

 

[birddog]

To think I used to park my truck in the high school parking lot with a rifle in a rear window gun rack for all to see and no one cared.

 

[easy rider]

To think I used to park my truck in the high school parking lot with a rifle in a rear window gun rack for all to see and no one cared.

That used to be a common site, nowadays that's an invitation to get your vehicle broken into.

 

[oldguy]

With all due respect to counselors and psychiatrist it's not in my opinion an exact science far too much room for error. Perhaps an educated guess would be a better term, no matter red flag will be or can be used incorrect causing more problems then it solves.

 

[easy rider]

Certainly hindsight is the clearer view.

 

[Younggun]

That used to be a common site, nowadays that's an invitation to get your vehicle broken into.

Pretty sure it would get broken in to by the local PD while they were shoving you in to the back of a squad car.


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[easy rider]

Pretty sure it would get broken in to by the local PD while they were shoving you in to the back of a squad car.


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That would probably depend on the neighborhood.

 

[Inspector43]

Why should I, as a law abiding citizen, have to wait to purchase a gun?

I don't have to wait to purchase a car, which can (and has) been used to kill a number of people.

The point I am trying to make is that as a society we have lost all sense of patience. I am not proposing a 'cooling off period'. And, it was just a suggestion feeding in to the conversation.

 

[EZ-E]

Its all ready against the law to kill people, how many more laws do we need?

Criminals are criminals because they break laws !!!!!!

 

[easy rider]

The point I am trying to make is that as a society we have lost all sense of patience. I am not proposing a 'cooling off period'. And, it was just a suggestion feeding in to the conversation.

Although I wouldn't argue the patience issue, I don't think a waiting period would really make difference, unless you were planning to break the law that day.

 

[oldag]

The point I am trying to make is that as a society we have lost all sense of patience. I am not proposing a 'cooling off period'. And, it was just a suggestion feeding in to the conversation.

I agree on no patience. Heck, used to order stuff from Sears Roebuck and if you were lucky it arrive in a month or two.

But this particular suggestion sure seemed like a cooling off period proposal.

 

[Inspector43]

I agree on no patience. Heck, used to order stuff from Sears Roebuck and if you were lucky it arrive in a month or two.

But this particular suggestion sure seemed like a cooling off period proposal.

No. I just wanted to point out that there are several elements to the puzzle.

 

[Inspector43]

Although I wouldn't argue the patience issue, I don't think a waiting period would really make difference, unless you were planning to break the law that day.

I might propose a wait period for first time buyers. But, then you would have to be in some other database for verification.