Round in the chamber?

[45tex]

If the 1911 had just faded away like most models, the no round in the chamber argument would have faded away with it.
Modern designs are for the most part better.

 

[Charlie]

If the 1911 had just faded away like most models, the no round in the chamber argument would have faded away with it.
Modern designs are for the most part better.

Some may be, but some are not! Depends on what one is looking for.

 

[Axxe55]

I think in most scenarios there is human interaction but the guns I shipped back to Taurus and Sig could have easily been loaded and on a shelf, anything that shakes the shelf and they fall and fire. California, Oklahoma, anywhere they have a tremor. Have been in California with some pretty major shakes. So, if the gun has an inherent safety issue and it can go off if it hits the ground it doesn't have to be human intervention. Then the argument is can a gun fall without human intervention.

Well, we could what-if scenarios, till the cows come home, blue in the face, and screaming for their cabbage. But I'm not. it's all your's dude.

 

[benenglish]

That example is not at all germane to this thread ... it is not contributing to the discussion.

Agreed; it's just like half of all the posts that have ever appeared on TGT.

 

[General Zod]

If the 1911 had just faded away like most models, the no round in the chamber argument would have faded away with it.
Modern designs are for the most part better.

Browning designed the 1911 to be carried cocked with a round in the chamber. It's why it has a grip safety along with a manual safety.

 

[oldag]

If the 1911 had just faded away like most models, the no round in the chamber argument would have faded away with it.
Modern designs are for the most part better.

How so?

There is a reason the 1911 has not faded away.

 

[Whistler]

All my guns seem to get along just fine, they don't know about fanboys.

The market determines the viability of a product. No market, slow fade into obscurity, if it's still for sale, there's a market.

 

[zackmars]

Browning designed the 1911 to be carried cocked with a round in the chamber. It's why it has a grip safety along with a manual safety.

The grip saftey was added at the request of the calvary, JMB didn't agree with it being necessary, but he had no problem swallowing his pride if it meant getting a contract

 

[Big Dipper]

The grip saftey was added at the request of the calvary, JMB didn't agree with it being necessary, but he had no problem swallowing his pride if it meant getting a contract

Yep!
Patent for safety on M1911
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d8/a5/5c/1722057992bc87/US1070582.pdf

ETA
Misread the post. This is for the thumb safety. The original patent included the grip safety, as he realized that cavalry used to revolvers might need that to avoid accidental discharges when drawing from a holster.

 

[seeker_two]

Browning designed the 1911 to be carried cocked with a round in the chamber. It's why it has a grip safety along with a manual safety.

Based on his earlier designs, he likely expected it to be carried Condition Two like a revolver. The thumb and grip safeties came later so cavalry troops wouldn't have to try decocking the pistol on horseback.

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[avvidclif]

I never owned a Harley that didn't leak.

Yep, them old flatheads did mark their territory, most knuckleheads, some panheads, but the Evos got better.

Talk about thread drift!

 

[Charlie]

My favorite motorcycle pic!
https://www.texasguntalk.com/attachments/img_0516-jpg.209444/

 

[avvidclif]

One of mine

 

[Charlie]

One of mine

View attachment 213933

I like it but it looks like death waiting to happen!

 

[Axxe55]

Yep, them old flatheads did mark their territory, most knuckleheads, some panheads, but the Evos got better.

Talk about thread drift!

My last Harley, a 1998 Softail Custom that I bought with only 5500 miles on it, from a dealership in Dallas, did a full service on it right before I picked it up. That night at work some of the guys decided to play a little joke on me, and right before we got off work the next morning, dribbled some used, black diesel oil under the engine of my bike.

Co-worker: "Look. It's a Harley. It's leaking oil!"
Me: "Hmmm."
Another co-worker: "see all Harley's leak oil."
Me: "Not mine. Because if that oil came out of this bike, then it's going back to the dealership!"

 

[Bozz10mm]

Harley...the 1911 of motorcycles.

 

[Axxe55]

Harley...the 1911 of motorcycles.

Some years ago, one of my 1911's did wear a pair of H-D grips!

 

[45tex]

If you ever rode an original CB750 Honda you would understand how it scared Harley into seeking government relief. It was everything a Harley could and still will never be.

 

[oldag]

 

[Whistler]

I think the Virago was as much if not more threat. V-twin, offset cylinders, overhead cam, shaft drive, etc. Pretty much a Harley with modern engineering.

Don't get me wrong, owned a lot of Harleys but they weren't my first choice for cross country.