SA man stopped from saving baby by being tased

[txinvestigator]

Would you really listen to them if it was your kid? I'd rather die trying than stand back and watch.

Do you have other kids?

 

[RetArmySgt]

So what to do with the citizen before there were tasser's? Property owner on his own property attempting to save his own child and .... what? Shoot him?

I know when i was a Firefighter there were 3 times that i had to tackle people that were trying to run back into burning buildings to keep them from doing it. But i also know that if there is someone trapped inside the building, if there is a chance of getting them out, we go in. There are times though that the fire has gone too far and there is nothing that can be done. I wasnt there so i cant say what i would have done in this particular case but if the FD was already backing out and performing a "surround and drown" (which is what it sounds like) then there was nothing that could be done and most officers would not permit their crew to enter the structure.

 

[txinvestigator]

The cops were wrong not to let that guy try to save his kid since none of them were willing to try.

Completely incorrect.

 

[majormadmax]

Here's the story from a legitimate news source...

According to Wallace, Darion's father tried to run back into the burning home to save his son but was restrained when he was shot with a Taser by San Antonio police. A spokesman for SAPD said the infant's body had already been discovered, “and the scene was being processed when (the) male tried to forcibly enter the scene.”

Source: Family's 'sunshine' dies in East Side fire - San Antonio Express-News

Now, knowing that, anyone still want to bash the SAPD officers for what they had to do?!?

 

[Younggun]

Those two statements are are conflicting.

We're they processing the home while it was still engulfed in flames?

 

[majormadmax]

Those two statements are are conflicting.

We're they processing the home while it was still engulfed in flames?

"Processing" could mean a number of things, such as securing the scene while firefighters were battling the blaze.

Plus, anyone who takes an obviously biased article such as the one in the original post as being the gospel is half the reason we have so many misinformed individuals around.

For example, take this article...

Texas Jury Says It's Cool To Murder Prostitutes For Not Having Sex With You | The Raw Story

Whereas the facts are the individual in question was acquitted because Texas law allows the use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft. Read this article and see how the facts are presented very differently than the one above...

Jury acquits escort shooter - San Antonio Express-News

 

[Wiked]

So the guy was tazed for trying to enter the scene? As in try to get behind the yellow caution tape? This story just got more confusing. If the body had been found I can see the guy trying to get behind the tape to see his baby while he was being worked on. Is this what happened?

 

[M. Sage]

Could also have resulted in the death of both father and baby, and IMO the cop had to make a hard - and quick - decision. Had the father become trapped, firefighters would then have had to try to go in, putting THEM at risk as well. I understand the fathers' desire, and appreciate his selflessness - but at some point, you've got to say "Stop".

I'm kind of in your camp, but I know the firefighters know the rescuer's rule not to become a casualty. Also, did the responders know if this guy was talking about an actual baby, or his dog?

My dad was a firefighter, this is one of those things I've talked to him about.

 

[winchster]

I watched my house burn to the ground on April 19, 1995. When I pulled in to the driveway I believed my wife and 18 month old daughter were still in the house. I headed for the door, knowing full well it was hopeless. Even the thought of my son being fatherless didnt slow me down. If I had not heard my wife calling my name, I would have died that day. Both my wife, and daughter were outside, safe. I know precisely, and from personal experience, the thought process this man experienced. Being tased would be the only thing short of deadly force that would have stopped him from going in that house.

The following is strictly my opinion;
All of this being said, the cop actually did this man a huge favor. As a result of this officers action, this man can focus his emotional energy into hating the officer. He can blame the officer, rather than the grandparents, God, fate, or himself for the death of his baby. From that perspective, his emotional healing should go much better.

 

[Hoji]

Now we turned have this to a murder the cop thread.

Lol TGT never fails to disappoint.

Whether it was a LEO, or anyone else. Would your opinion be different if some Joe Citizen had tazed the father in the same circumstances?

I completely understand why he chose to use the tazer. I can also understand that the child's father would be in a mental state after the fact that could cloud rational thinking.

As I stated, I would be hard pressed to convict if I were on a jury.

That includes the civil jury that will surely be hearing this case in the future.

 

[txinvestigator]

No, I cannot get behind the killing of a cop who tries to stop you from killing yourself.

For fucks sake

 

[proforguns]

"Processing" could mean a number of things, such as securing the scene while firefighters were battling the blaze.

Plus, anyone who takes an obviously biased article such as the one in the original post as being the gospel is half the reason we have so many misinformed individuals around.

For example, take this article...

Texas Jury Says It's Cool To Murder Prostitutes For Not Having Sex With You | The Raw Story

Whereas the facts are the individual in question was acquitted because Texas law allows the use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft. Read this article and see how the facts are presented very differently than the one above...

Jury acquits escort shooter - San Antonio Express-News

We debate these instances because it keeps our brains thinking about things out of the norm.Of course we are only speculating,we were not there or involved.None of us are petitioning the FD or PD.
Nobody's taking the information for gospel.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

I watched my house burn to the ground on April 19, 1995. When I pulled in to the driveway I believed my wife and 18 month old daughter were still in the house. I headed for the door, knowing full well it was hopeless. Even the thought of my son being fatherless didnt slow me down. If I had not heard my wife calling my name, I would have died that day. Both my wife, and daughter were outside, safe. I know precisely, and from personal experience, the thought process this man experienced. Being tased would be the only thing short of deadly force that would have stopped him from going in that house.

The following is strictly my opinion;
All of this being said, the cop actually did this man a huge favor. As a result of this officers action, this man can focus his emotional energy into hating the officer. He can blame the officer, rather than the grandparents, God, fate, or himself for the death of his baby. From that perspective, his emotional healing should go much better.

point

 

[Hoji]

Here's the story from a legitimate news source...



Source: Family's 'sunshine' dies in East Side fire - San Antonio Express-News

Now, knowing that, anyone still want to bash the SAPD officers for what they had to do?!?

statement retracted based on new information.

 

[preyn2]

God forgive me for saying this, but it's possible that the firefighters did everything they could to find that baby, and simply couldn't find him in the smoke, and they didn't find the baby until the fire had been more thoroughly ventilated. I am a firefighter, and there, but for the Grace of God, go I. Missing a body during a search, especially when that body you're searching for is a little baby, can happen to the best of us, especially when the body is burned, fire debris has fallen, and bed linens are wadded up. And the power of a firefighting stream can blow that baby's body around the room.

In fact, many times the fire cause investigation starts while the fire is still burning. Not "fire blowing out the windows" burning, but not completely cold, either. The more water is dumped into a fire scene, the more difficult the investigator's job can be. While I doubt that the fire scene was being "processed" (picture the whole CSI-evidence technician thing going on) while the fire was still burning, it is entirely possible that the body had been discovered, the baby was obviously deceased, and there was nothing that could be done to change that.

Modern professional fire departments like the San Antonio Fire Department can and will fight fire and do other necessary work in a house and leave an obviously dead body where they found it. This is done because that death was not attended by a physician, therefore, that is a crime scene until proven otherwise. Period. End of statement. Nobody has to like that, but that's the way it is. The fire department will continue to extinguish fire, being very careful to disturb as little as possible. I don't know about San Antonio, but in Austin, the Fire Department's Arson Squad will work with the Police Department's Homicide Squad to investigate the scene.

The dad, as tragic and cold-hearted as it seems, would not be allowed back into the scene. In fact, the cops don't want unnecessary cops and firefighters stomping around in the crime scene. It just mucks up the scene, and it's more people that have to be asked about their role in the incident.

 

[effnoldguy]

Stupid is as stupid does. Brains of dynamite and couldn't blow their own nose.

 

[GaryH]

Completely incorrect.

Your opinion, and I don't agree.

 

[TexasRedneck]

Your opinion, and I don't agree.

You weren't there, so you can't say the cops weren't "willing" to try. Knowing cops AND firefighters, if there'd have been a chance that the baby was still alive, they'd have been in there trying.

 

[Wolfwood]

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my house will be praying for the family.

 

[JColumbus]

At some point, we gotta let the professionals do their job and trust them when they say "it's too late".

I can't count the amount of times a professional (Doctor) told me it was too late. Yet, here I am to annoy you folks. Only God knows when it's too late, my friend.

No. The officer would physically stop him. A TASER is force.

I always thought a taser was used when the officer could not physically get the job done. So what you're saying is, the officer COULD have stopped him, but chose to use a taser? I'm not trying to start conflict, but that's what the logic amounts to, in my mind. However feble it may be.

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There is just not enough information to come to a logical conclusion. I tend to agree with the folks saying that the cop was wrong, but the what if's make me think otherwise. This is strictly an emotional debate for the time being. IF the house was engulfed in flames and it was obvious the man would combust, due to the hight temps a fire can produce, than the cop is right and the man will thank him when he realizes that he almost abandoned his other son. IF the house was NOT engulfed and this man COULD have gone in and searched for his child, than the cop is wrong and the man may possibly hate cops for the rest of his life. Logic tells me that as long as people can possibly go into the house, and knowing that there is a child in there, the fire fighters MUST have gone in and the outcome was not good, regardless the effort. Until further information is revealed, I think we all have valid points, limited only to the emotion from which they are driven.

It is a sick idea to think a man got tased, while his baby dies in a fire. I can only hope that the cop was exhausted from trying to hold this man back, before he used it. Otherwise, I believe he's a dirt bag for simply tasing the guy before a true effort was made. It is sad that the grandparents forgot the baby. Had they remembered, he could have easily been spared. God help this man. He has to live with all of the variables involved in this tragedy.

Go out and get a fire hydrant, everybody. God bless.