Senate OKs guns at Texas colleges

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  1. MadMo44Mag

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    Well a step in the right direction!
    Senate OKs guns at Texas colleges | Top Stories | Star-Telegram.com

    AUSTIN — The Senate gave preliminary approval Tuesday to legislation that would allow concealed handguns at colleges and universities, but with less than two weeks left in the 2009 Legislature, the bill’s ultimate outcome is uncertain.
    "That’s the real question. I don’t know the answer to that," said Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, when asked whether there is enough time to win final passage in the Senate and rush the bill through the House before the June 1 adjournment.
    The bill would allow Texans who have concealed-handgun permits to carry the weapons into college and university buildings, classrooms and dormitories. Wentworth said permit holders can currently carry guns onto campuses, but not into buildings.
    The measure would apply to all colleges and universities, but private institutions, such as Texas Christian University and Texas Wesleyan University, could opt out of the requirements and ban handguns. State-supported institutions, such as the University of Texas at Arlington and the University of North Texas in Denton, would be required to comply.
    The 20-10 vote came as somewhat of a surprise since gun legislation appeared in peril in the closing days of the session. Sens. Jane Nelson, R-Flower Mound, and Chris Harris, R-Arlington, voted for the bill, while Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, opposed it.
    Davis said she believes that the governing bodies of individual colleges and universities should get to decide whether to allow guns.
    'Sitting ducks’
    Wentworth pointed out that the bill would apply only to those who meet the requirements for carrying concealed handguns in Texas, meaning that no one under 21 could legally carry weapons on campuses.
    It would thus apply primarily to seniors, graduate students, faculty members and administrators and not to younger undergraduates, Wentworth said.
    Countering arguments that the bill would pose a safety threat, Wentworth contended that permitting guns on campus could help spare Texas from campus violence, such as the slayings of 32 students by a mentally unstable student at Virginia Tech in April 2007.
    "College kids can get picked off like sitting ducks like they were in Virginia Tech," Wentworth said.
    Campus concerns
    But campus officials have expressed concern about injecting guns into populous and socially combustible campus settings. The University of Texas System, with 200,000 students at 15 institutions, warned that the "challenges" inherent in student life — such as stress, immaturity, alcohol, personal conflicts and strong emotions — might not be the ideal climate for weapons.
    Kristin Sullivan, assistant vice president for media relations at UT-Arlington, said the university "supports" the position of UT System Chancellor Francisco G. Cigarroa, who expressed concerns about the legislation in a statement this month.
    "There are many stresses that sometimes can lead to depression and labile emotions," Cigarroa said. "Individuals with concealed handguns on campus would make it very difficult for law enforcement officers to correctly identify an active shooter or shooters during a crisis situation."
    TCU, Baylor University and Southern Methodist University have also expressed concerns about the bill. Don Mills, TCU’s vice chancellor for student affairs, has said that the legislation "would make the campus less safe rather than more safe."
     


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    hmmm:headscratch: this is going a little different than I expected:icon_popcorn:
     
  3. MadMo44Mag

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    Yeah, it's a step in the right direction but not the step we all were hoping for. None the less it is a step.
    There is some good here though, it's not all gloom and doom!
    Like you:icon_popcorn::icon_popcorn:
     
  4. Starker

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    What do you mean, Big?
     
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    I thought the libs at UT alone would be enough to put this down, and quick! But surprisingly there are steps, baby steps but steps. I have also done night security for two of the sorority houses for UT. That being said I do see a little bit of an issue with having an armed frat boy (or sorority girl) running around. That is not a good idea in my opinion, but the right should still be there. I just didn't think it would make it this far, and now I will just watch the show and see how it ends. That is all I meant. :happy0001:
     
  6. JKTex

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    How many "...frat boy (or sorority girl) running around..." are over 21 thus able to have a CHL? Some, but not all. How many that are 21+ take the time, or have the money to get a CHL? Some, but not all...

    I can keep going and we'll end up with 2 guys at UT and maybe 2-3 at A&M legally carrying concealed handguns. :lolz:
     
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    Actually about half are over 21. A lot of them are on Mommy and Daddy's dime and, I think a lot more would have CHL's than you might think. And as for "take the time" that is my issue, they wouldn't. I just don't know how I feel about this yet. I didn't think I would have to think about, I didn't think it would go this far. I think they should at the very least allow the "professors" to be armed. I think I'm for it, but like I said I have not decided yet. I would like to think that they would act responsibly but if you are around when the bars close around campus (6th street, Austin) then you would understand my conflicting thoughts on this matter.
     
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    I'm sure it's not much different than most any college town. But if they are out doing what college kids do, they'd already be in violation if they were carrying anyway. You'd hope that they'd think about that ahead of time and leave it home.
     
  9. Starker

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    Let me take a stab at this here. There are two different issues at work. One issue is whether or not those that are licensed to carry concealed firearms should be able to carry into buildings on college campuses (because you can already carry on the campus grounds, just not into the buildings). The other issue is whether or not 21-year olds are mature enough to get a concealed carry license.

    As for the first issue, there is no difference between a building on a college campus and a building on a street corner, except that the college campus buildings (state colleges - private institutions are a different matter) are public property. If the state deems that carrying in a building on the street corner is acceptable, as long as the building owner says it's OK, then why should the state deem that carrying on their property is unacceptable.

    As for the second issue, some are and some aren't. I could say the same thing about 40- and 50-year olds. That is a whole different matter. :gotme:
     
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    Exactly, and that one doesn't matter because nothing is going to change with that one.

    Now everyone go look at the thread regarding the campus carry bill and start calling and faxing. :fighting0010:
     

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