So who here keeps a bug out bag?

[Clockwork]

Oh yeah Vance, I remember wanting to see that movie when I saw trailers for it some time back.

There could be a Mad Max/Fallout/Book of Eli/Borderlands kind of world in our future and there will be people out there that prey on those that have been "preparing for peace of mind". Myself, I just don't worry about things. If it happens it happens and then I can go with Plan B. Murder and cannibalism. Hell, if my Internet goes out for thirty minutes and I want a snack my neighbor might just lose an arm or a leg. God help us if there were an actual collapse of society!

 

[texas1willy2]

Many have probably seen this. For those of you who haven't, here's a list of 100 Items To Disappear First and (at the bottom) lessons from a Sarajevo War Survivor

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

 

[Texan2]

good list...and all of that stuff could easily fit in a 2 car garage.

 

[Clockwork]

I'm surprised to see that lumber disappears before chickens. I would have thought that having chickens would be like a renewable food source in the form of eggs. Good post, texas1willy2.

 

[ROGER4314]

My ex was the only person on the planet scary enough to kick me about of the house. Now that she 'aint around, I'm not leaving the house for nothing... I'll stand & fight. No bug-out bag needed.

Now that I'm old and couldn't outrun an 80 year old hooker, I'm staying right where I am. I have provisions, ammo and an iron will all right here. Nothing will make me leave including Ike, Rita and Katrina or whatever civil unrest should come up. My whole dead end street is populated with folks who will stand and fight. It's the wrong place for bad guys to go.

Flash

 

[Clockwork]

Well, hookers can run fast... even in heels.

 

[Vance]

Well, hookers can run fast... even in heels.

Too true. Look how far you had to run in order to get away.

Interesting item on the news this evening. It seems that those Chilean miners were starting to get a bit worried just before they found them. Their food stocks were so low that they were worried that who ever died first was going to be chow for the others.

Just something to think about. Other than CW of course.

 

[Clockwork]

Why wait until someone dies? Gotta get the meat while it's at its freshest.

 

[Vance]

Why wait until someone dies? Gotta get the meat while it's at its freshest.

Remind me to dig my own foxhole if we're ever on the same side in a firefight.

 

[TimberWolf7.62]

3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.

When Y2K was coming up and everyone was stockpiling guns and ammo and food, my wife said "Buy toilet paper. I will be DAMNED if I'm going without toilet paper!"
But then, her idea of "roughing it" is no room service.

 

[MR Redneck]

I didnt see any Copenhagan on that list!!

 

[texas1willy2]

I didnt see any Copenhagan on that list!!

well the list also said booze is for bartering......yeah right

 

[MR Redneck]

well the list also said booze is for bartering......yeah right

Bartering? No way! I have plenty of supplies.
I also have a security system that requires no electricity or batteries!

 

[jtriron]

Priceless

Bartering? No way! I have plenty of supplies.
I also have a security system that requires no electricity or batteries!

 

[ROGER4314]

Well, hookers can run fast... even in heels.

I guess it depends if they are running after you or`away from you.

Flash

 

[BFThorp]

If you guys haven't seen this blog, it has some good ideas. http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html
I haven't read it in a while but it may help put some perspective on the issue. I generally have a get home bag in the car which is usually nothing more (depending on the time of year) than a day pack with pistol, rain gear, trail running shoes, and some water. A 60 second bag at home would be a great idea but I haven't got around to it.

 

[Wolfwood]

well the list also said booze is for bartering......yeah right

on alcohol and tobacco,

i am working up a stil for real booze / alchol fuel (worse comes to worst, i can used grass and shit to make alcohol for burning) and a brewing kit for beer, and wine is the easiest, as grapes come with their own yeast.

also i recommend a 100 or so lbs of tobacco seed.

if i can onyl find zigzags in a giant roll someplace i will be golden as far as barter goes. "12 pack, a 5th of Gin and a carton of smokes, for...?"

gotta be carefull though - ever hear somone say theyd kill someone for a smoke?
they werent lying.

 

[Wolfwood]

as far as #7 goes on that list, (which i jsut printed) i bet a case of motel shampoo, one of soaps, one of toothpastes, one of combs, pens, matches, conditioner, lotion, toothbrushes, deodorant etc would come in handy...

i am gonna talk to the boss tomorrow... he owes me a couple favors

 

[Texan2]

on alcohol and tobacco,

i am working up a stil for real booze / alchol fuel (worse comes to worst, i can used grass and shit to make alcohol for burning)

better hide that still very very well...those are typically easy to locate.

 

[Clockwork]

I just started buying a few items here and there. Got a cold steel kukri machete which I figure could be useful for a bug out bag or hunting (for brush areas). Got some Cyalume light sticks. I should probably invest in CR123 lithium batteries for my Surefire, eh?

So what's the deal with the 25-year shelf life dehydrated food I've seen on survival websites? Is that like the dehydrated astronaut food?