Steyr AUG vs IWI x95 for patrol car

[baboon]

Y'all know TABC all carry AR in their vehicles?

 

[TxKronik]

Where the hell are you driving a patrol car that you have weekly active shooter calls?

My thoughts exactly

 

[zackmars]

Neither.

Bullpups suck when shooting/manipulating the gun in unconventional posistions. Add in body armor and it gets worse.

If i had to use a bullpup, it'd be an aug, but it'd need to use aug mags. The augs nato stock isn't bad, but manipulation sucks

 

[candcallen]

He must be using the libs book of gun crime definitions.

Was a gun within in 1000 ft of any crime? Its gun related.

Was a round fired in the general direction of 2 or more people? It's a mass shooting.

Is the person who fired a weapon dead? If no it's an active shooter.

Was a school within 1000 yards? School shooting.

Did the shooter have more than one gun or ten rounds of ammo? It's an arsenal.

If all participants are criminals like gangs or drug dealers it's a war zone terrorising good citizens.

Can you combine 2 or more of the above? Launch outrage machine, book time on MSNBC and call for gun control. Tears are authorized if a child was at least in ear shot of the incident.

 

[Enochwel]

"He must be using the libs book of gun crime definitions."
...

Honestly, are you that wound up irl? I sincerely hope not.

When I'm going to a call and victims stack up on the way, I'm treating it as an active shooter... what else would you have me do?

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[Enochwel]

Neither.

Bullpups suck when shooting/manipulating the gun in unconventional posistions. Add in body armor and it gets worse.

If i had to use a bullpup, it'd be an aug, but it'd need to use aug mags. The augs nato stock isn't bad, but manipulation sucks

Thanks for that. I'm keeping my AR in trunk, but I needed something I can get out of my car easily and quickly. Ive never trained on a bullpup, so the insight is valuable. If it were up to me I'd carry an ar pistol, but its not.

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[Tactical Panda]

I think it’s your wording that is confusing.

If a call goes out of a shooting, followed by another, then it's an active shooter.

This quote implies if you have 2 calls regarding the same incident, it’s an active shooter. That does not necessarily mean “victims are stacking up.”

No one is telling you how you should or shouldn’t treat your calls for service, that’s between you and your agency. It’s simply that when most people think of an active shooter, they chalk up visions of a crazed gunman(s) shooting up a school, mall, etc.

 

[zackmars]

Thanks for that. I'm keeping my AR in trunk, but I needed something I can get out of my car easily and quickly. Ive never trained on a bullpup, so the insight is valuable. If it were up to me I'd carry an ar pistol, but its not.

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A 14.5" p&w with a CAR stock isn't too bad, you could even get something like the various PDW stocks or the LWRC ultra compact sets to shave some inches

 

[cycleguy2300]

Steyr AUG A3 M1 or IWI X95?

I'm going back and forth between these two... I've already decided its going to be between either of these. Coolness and nostalgia factors mean absolutely nothing. Gotta be reliable. Cost of upgrading x95 trigger to the gieselle is also not an issue.

So for the purpose of front seat of patrol car, with the assumption of being on scene during an active shooter situation once per week and serving felony warrants/clearing houses, which of these two would you depend on and why?
Thanks for your input!

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That is such a BS set of scenarios... WTF is at an active shooter every week??

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[cycleguy2300]

If a call goes out of a shooting, followed by another, then it's an active shooter. When in hindsight we find 2 shooters targeting 2 or more specific people, but yea there's been a lot of activity lately. It is abnormal, but I've run code to 4 such scenes over the span of a month. And served a felony takedown and a warrant on two of them. So I need a new gun.

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What department do you work for?Besides all the other screwed up nonsensical tacwannabewetdream rubbish you keep saying that's not the definition of an active shooter... and how do you serve a felony takedown? What does that even mean?? I am calling poser/BS on this guy until he provides some creds...

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[Hoji]

What department do you work for?Besides all the other screwed up nonsensical tacwannabewetdream rubbish you keep saying that's not the definition of an active shooter... and how do you serve a felony takedown? What does that even mean?? I am calling poser/BS on this guy until he provides some creds...

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Yeah, Cycleguy2300 definitely has the prerequisite experience to detect bullshit, and there is something familiar to me about the way the OP is wording his posts. I have seen this before( and no, I am not saying this is a retread member)

 

[Darkpriest667]

Yeah, Cycleguy2300 definitely has the prerequisite experience to detect bullshit, and there is something familiar to me about the way the OP is wording his posts. I have seen this before( and no, I am not saying this is a retread member)

Gecko 45?

 

[satx78247]

To All,

Offhand the ONLY 2 places that I can think of in CONUS with that sort of constant violence is Chicago & southside Philly.
(I've been TDY in both places & have NO interest in returning to either place.)

yours, satx

 

[candcallen]

Thanks for that. I'm keeping my AR in trunk, but I needed something I can get out of my car easily and quickly. Ive never trained on a bullpup, so the insight is valuable. If it were up to me I'd carry an ar pistol, but its not.

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Yet another reason why folks BS meter are going off.

 

[SQLGeek]

Live PD From Johannesburg evidently.

 

[baboon]

Live PD From Johannesburg evidently.

More razor wire there then between Israel & Gaza Strip!

 

[dfwpi]

Steyr AUG A3 M1 or IWI X95?

I'm going back and forth between these two... I've already decided its going to be between either of these. Coolness and nostalgia factors mean absolutely nothing. Gotta be reliable. Cost of upgrading x95 trigger to the gieselle is also not an issue.

So for the purpose of front seat of patrol car, with the assumption of being on scene during an active shooter situation once per week and serving felony warrants/clearing houses, which of these two would you depend on and why?
Thanks for your input!

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After reading all these posts, I must say you live in a “war zone.” First off, you better think about the aftermath before you get this sort of gun. Meaning, but first, I can only believe you are early in your career, probably less than 2-years on the job. And you either work for a SO or a very small police department. This is all my opinion after working 30+years in law enforcement.

The department should be issuing you this weapon as they will face a major lawsuit if something was to go wrong with your actions, as well as yourself. And yes, it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 5. But also remember, more and more cops are facing criminal charges these days for their actions.

And lastly, remember if you do fire that weapon it’s going to be taken from you for evidence and no telling when, or if you will get it back. So, tell your supervisor to provide you with this weapon.


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[Hoji]

So, @Enochwel , what security company do you work for. Given your posts, I have a suspicion , but I won’t name them.

I will say if you trust the police in that particular agency to have your back by stating you were acting at their direction, I hope you have a good felony lawyer on retainer.

 

[zackmars]

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[SQLGeek]

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Damn.

And I thought the security guy at Spec's on Smith was switched on looking.