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  • Dad_Roman

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    Have a "Tell us somethin we dont know" Sunday story.......

    Flew a B-17 around the nation for a couple weeks (pic posted)....
    We would fly in the 7000 to 10K feet range just for comfort and never went up high. <<<important factoid

    ...so when your flying (cross country) the country is cut up into, lets say "regional sized" areas and you leave and enter "controlled airspaces" and they are usually controlled by the local big city in that "region". When you leave one airspace you "checkout" so to speak.

    Im going to type in the manner that info is "spoken". Some of it is purposely run together.

    27C: "Memphis center 27charlie leaving your airspace"

    Memphis C: (now remember, this is a guy watching a radar screen and has had eyes on you for a couple hours, very aware of your flight)
    ......27Charlieroger contact indianapolis@021...have a good day sir.

    27C: 27charlie...haveagoodday

    So, finished with Memphis control....now you have to re-tune your radio and check-in with Indianapolis control and here's where it gets really interesting.

    The "Something You Dont Know" is quite obvious and logical but remember a controller is in a dark room looking at a radar screen.

    A B-17 has the SAME radar signature as a 747 :green: (and now you see where this is going)

    Time to check-in with Indianapolis......

    27C: Indianapolis center 27charlie vectordayton.

    IndC: 27charlierogerrrr.

    IndC: (time passes....silence....checking screen to find 27charlie....should be vectoring towards dayton....ahhh there he is JESUSCHRISTWHATISA"HEAVY"DOINGFLYINGAT 7000FEET???)

    Now realize....a stroke of fear is shooting through this guys brain right about now because in his little world everything is organized, synchronized, and choreographed to perfection so if the LEAST little thing (like a 747 at 7000 feet) is out of place it shows up like a red flag!

    Now another thing. Certain "words" are used with explicit, self-explanatory meanings, you've heard them, Immediate, Immediately, Expedite etc. and these words carry a certain weight to them when spoken by a controller. Now back to the radio conversation.....

    IndCen: (trying desperately to sound calm) Uhhh27charlie Identify Immediately!!!

    Now we are used to this, happens almost everytime we change airspace so the flight crew is laughing right now listening to this controller. Time to introduce full formalities to the conversation....

    27C: AhhhhROGERrrrrNovemberrrrSevennnnTwoooTwoooSevennCHARLIE....
    B-17FlyingFortress flyingstraightandlevelatAngelssssSEVENVectordayton

    IndCen: (relief in voice) Ahhhroger27charlie....have a good day sir.

    After a formal Ident like that then every plane in the sector starts asking for an intercept vector for the B-17. Controllers sure get tired of that shit real quick!

    (Although that flight of F16's didnt seem to have any trouble):green:

    (sorry, back in the days of the throwaway 110 camera. There IS a flight of F-16's just off that wing tip)

    B-17 #2.jpg




     
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    mad88minute

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    Pennies cost more than a cent to make. In 2005, the cost to produce a penny was 0.97¢. The price of metal jumped in 2007 and it now costs 2.41¢ to make a penny.

    As a comparison, it costs 5.6¢ to make a dollar bill and 11¢ to make a 5 dollar bill. You gotta wonder why it costs nearly double, to print a $5 bill. A twenty dollar bill costs less to make (10.8¢) than a five dollar bill.
    I'd imagine they print less $5 bills then $20 bills so the cost of printing machines, setup and production isn't divided as much into cost per bill.

    It's why prototypes cost so much, production runs drop cost per unit, and a mass produced item really drops in cost.

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    WW2 infantryman spent an ave of 10 days a year in combat. In Vietnam, 240 days per yr (thanks to helicopters) - from a sidebar in the "Search & Destroy" segment of Histoty Channel's "Vietnam" miniseries.
     

    Kar98

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    WW2 infantryman spent an ave of 10 days a year in combat. In Vietnam, 240 days per yr (thanks to helicopters) - from a sidebar in the "Search & Destroy" segment of Histoty Channel's "Vietnam" miniseries.

    In Vietnam, the combat soldier
    Typically served a twelve month tour of duty
    But was exposed to hostile fire almost everyday




    In WW2, the average age of the combat soldier was 26. In Vietnam, he was 19.
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    'train riding dollars'

    A term you might have heard your grandfather use. So what does it really mean? With the growth of the railroads came more and more passengers along the route. At that time there was Federal money printed by the US Govt and state money printed by the States. Since the trains traveled across the US thru many states they would only accept money that was Federal money as only it was accepted across the US. So to buy a ticket that took you across multiple states you had to have 'train riding dollars'...
     
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