Ukraine invasion

[cycleguy2300]

Finland joins NATO in major blow to Russia over Ukraine war

Finland has joined the NATO military alliance. The move deals a major blow to Russia with a historic realignment of the continent triggered by Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

apnews.com

Yippee! Yet another country to suck off the subsidies of the American taxpayer.

Good for Finland.

I wish Ukraine had been admitted and then we wouldn't have had to see Russia start a war.

Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk

 

[Havok1]

Maybe ukraine could have our spot and we could get out.

 

[popper]

Zaporizhzhia battle is on the Dnipro river which if taken will cut off Ukraine from sea ports and the rest of Ukraine. Very important battle.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Zaporizhzhia battle is on the Dnipro river which if taken will cut off Ukraine from sea ports and the rest of Ukraine. Very important battle.

It is an important battle, but I think russia already did what they could for the year... their losses over the winter were extraordinary and they only gained about 70sq mi and were unable to take any of the cities on the front. I would not be complacent or relax, but all the numbers suggest the expected russian assault has already happened and that it was parried, now it is Ukraine's turn...

Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk

 

[popper]

Bakhmut is on the east side in ag territory. Zaporizhzhia is in the middle and tactically more important. If it is taken, Donetsk is easy to clear slowly. No way to protect Mariupol. Odesa, Kherson and Mariupol are the sea ports. Odesa hasn't fallen yet.

 

[benenglish]

I wish Ukraine had been admitted and then we wouldn't have had to see Russia start a war.

I wish The West writ large had not wooed Ukraine with vague and untrustworthy promises of "Just give up your nukes and everything will be OK."

If Ukraine still had them, Russia would have never invaded. And if they did, the exchange would have been over quickly, without NATO involvement, and with Russia hurt so badly that it would have had no choice but to tear down their current system and replace it. With what, I don't know, but it could hardly be as bad as a bunch of old KGB operatives hell-bent on restoring the glory days of the USSR.

But as sad personal experience has taught me more than once, wishing something had been done differently in the past is futile, frustrating, as wasteful. I'll try not to do it again in this thread.

 

[seeker_two]

I wish The West writ large had not wooed Ukraine with vague and untrustworthy promises of "Just give up your nukes and everything will be OK."

If Ukraine still had them, Russia would have never invaded. And if they did, the exchange would have been over quickly, without NATO involvement, and with Russia hurt so badly that it would have had no choice but to tear down their current system and replace it. With what, I don't know, but it could hardly be as bad as a bunch of old KGB operatives hell-bent on restoring the glory days of the USSR.

But as sad personal experience has taught me more than once, wishing something had been done differently in the past is futile, frustrating, as wasteful. I'll try not to do it again in this thread.

Never give up your guns....a lesson that should be learned by all....

 

[ian]

Finland joins NATO in major blow to Russia over Ukraine war

Finland has joined the NATO military alliance. The move deals a major blow to Russia with a historic realignment of the continent triggered by Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

apnews.com

Yippee! Yet another country to suck off the subsidies of the American taxpayer.

Another country with history of killing hundreds of thousands of young invading Russian men.

 

[ian]

I wish The West writ large had not wooed Ukraine with vague and untrustworthy promises of "Just give up your nukes and everything will be OK."

If Ukraine still had them, Russia would have never invaded. And if they did, the exchange would have been over quickly, without NATO involvement, and with Russia hurt so badly that it would have had no choice but to tear down their current system and replace it. With what, I don't know, but it could hardly be as bad as a bunch of old KGB operatives hell-bent on restoring the glory days of the USSR.

But as sad personal experience has taught me more than once, wishing something had been done differently in the past is futile, frustrating, as wasteful. I'll try not to do it again in this thread.

Bill Clinton said he made a mistake by asking Ukraine to give up their nukes.


Stupid to think that russia wouldn't rob their neighbors house?

"It's the west's fault that putin is a lowly coward murderous thief"

 

[ian]

Ukraine shouldn't have dressed so seductively, then putin wouldn't have raped and killed her.

 

[angel71rs]

Leaked document on Egypt allegedly supplying ruzzia with lethal aid. Egypt can really screw themselves with this if true. It's not like the old days when they played the US and Soviets; ruzzia is a collapsing shitehole that they don't want to hitch their wagon to.

Key US Ally Had Plans To Give Russia Lethal Aid, Docs Show

Egyptian president Fatah al-Sisi, a close ally of the U.S., instructed his military to produce and supply weapons to Russia.

dailycaller.com

 

[motorcarman]

Ukraine is just the 'elite's 'piggy bank.

Ex-Obama staffer blows whistle on Biden 'kickback scheme' after Hunter joined Burisma: 'Malfeasance in office'

Former White House stenographer Mike McCormick wants to testify in the Hunter Biden grand jury probe on then-vice president Joe Biden's "crimes" to "enrich his family."

www.foxnews.com

 

[CavCop]

Ukraine is just the 'elite's 'piggy bank.

Ex-Obama staffer blows whistle on Biden 'kickback scheme' after Hunter joined Burisma: 'Malfeasance in office'

Former White House stenographer Mike McCormick wants to testify in the Hunter Biden grand jury probe on then-vice president Joe Biden's "crimes" to "enrich his family."

www.foxnews.com

Ukraine was always a corrupt place, used by America and Russia. It is neat how Biden got NATO/Europe to help Ukraine, but at a point they may feel like Biden took advantage of them and caused the war via saber rattling and pushing for set things to cause Russia to invade.

Slowly a lot of things will come out that our Government and media will try to suppress and kill. Let’s hope it gets aired out and exposed. Both Putin and Biden are bad leaders exploiting people.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Ukraine is just the 'elite's 'piggy bank.

Ex-Obama staffer blows whistle on Biden 'kickback scheme' after Hunter joined Burisma: 'Malfeasance in office'

Former White House stenographer Mike McCormick wants to testify in the Hunter Biden grand jury probe on then-vice president Joe Biden's "crimes" to "enrich his family."

www.foxnews.com

The elites have piggy banks everywhere, but that is some really old news, from pre-MAGA days. A lot has changed in the Ukrianian government since 2014... their corruption is certainly no worse than it is here.

Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

"their corruption is certainly no worse than it is here."

Well then, ok...

 

[Havok1]

Most of NATO/Europe really isn’t doing much. Seems they don’t think it’s a good use of money.

 

[CavCop]

"their corruption is certainly no worse than it is here."

Well then, ok...

Makes one question what is really going on here. Post 2014… and post start of War.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/01/europe/ukraine-anti-corruption-raids-intl/index.html

 

[General Zod]

Most of NATO/Europe really isn’t doing much. Seems they don’t think it’s a good use of money.

Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2024 | Statista

Estonia and Denmark had the highest ratio of bilateral support to Ukraine to donor GDP as of January 2024. Poland ranked seventh by GDP share of aid to Ukraine.

www.statista.com

 

[Havok1]

Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2024 | Statista

Estonia and Denmark had the highest ratio of bilateral support to Ukraine to donor GDP as of January 2024. Poland ranked seventh by GDP share of aid to Ukraine.

www.statista.com

Yep

 

[easy rider]

Not much talk about the leaked US documents about Ukraine. Seems to paint a much different picture than the one we're being fed.