Utah SB 36

[SIG_Fiend]

As far as I'm concerned, if we absolutely had to have a Texas CHL system instead of constitutional carry, there should be either no state fee, or the fee should be at most $5 or $20 or something. Personally I feel it is wrong to even charge a state fee when in regards to the exercising of a person's civil rights.

 

[Texan2]

The question I keep asking, but nobody wants to answer, is why should Texans have requirement for us to meet that other states dont have? Is there something wrong with Texans that make it necessary for us to have "extra" requirements?
The issue here isnt the CHL, it's the requirement that Texas Law Makers have established for us to get one. That's why I call it Elitist! If its wasnt elitist, the requirement would be less or equal to that of other states.

We should lower our standards??? I find that humorous. The standard is already practically a joke. If you are breathing and are not a felon you qualify.

 

[MR Redneck]

We should lower our standards??? I find that humorous. The standard is already practically a joke. If you are breathing and are not a felon you qualify.

I figured you would have a argument with a little more specifics.
Once again, those states with " lower standards" have reciprocity with Texas. If their standards are not good enough, then why do they have reciprocity with Texas?

 

[Bithabus]

If you are breathing and are not a felon you qualify.

You know that's not true. I don't think a conviction for a non violent misdemeanor or a debt is sufficient justification to deny someone his right to carry a handgun.

 

[Texan2]

You know that's not true. I don't think a conviction for a non violent misdemeanor or a debt is sufficient justification to deny someone his right to carry a handgun.

You are correct....my statement was slightly erroneous. But the standard to get a CHL in Texas is very low.

 

[Texan2]

I figured you would have a argument with a little more specifics.
Once again, those states with " lower standards" have reciprocity with Texas. If their standards are not good enough, then why do they have reciprocity with Texas?

Simple, because we want our citizens to be able to carry there.

 

[MR Redneck]

you know that's not true. I don't think a conviction for a non violent misdemeanor or a debt is sufficient justification to deny someone his right to carry a handgun.

exactly!!!

 

[MR Redneck]

Simple, because we want our citizens to be able to carry there.

I have no issues with that and that aint the subject. The " less than equal to" getting to carry here makes this a "who better subject". According to the Bill of Rights and Constitutional Law, we are all equal. See my point now?

 

[lalonguecarabine]

FYI, to Acera - This is "hyperbole":

If you are breathing and are not a felon you qualify.

(With apologies to you, texascop2, just thought he might to see a better example of the word he wanted to throw around. )

 

[Texan2]

FYI, to Acera - This is "hyperbole":

(With apologies to you, texascop2, just thought he might to see a better example of the word he wanted to throw around. )

No worries...sometimes I dont have the energy to make the point I am thinking. My point was that the low standards we already have make me laugh.

 

[Texan2]

See my point now?

No, not really. I see no "who's better" scenario here. If you like Utah laws better...move to Utah, or petition you lawmaker to remedy your complaint.

 

[Texan2]

I have no issues with that and that aint the subject.

LOL... It is an answer to the question that YOU asked.

 

[MR Redneck]

So your answer would be its ok to require more from a resident to get a license than from someone just " visiting".

 

[Texan2]

So your answer would be its ok to require more from a resident to get a license than from someone just " visiting".

My answer is that we have no control over, nor do I care about the parameters that others states set for their CHL system. Since Texas wants Utah to recognize its CHLs, it chooses to recognize Utah's.

I can usually see issues from several angles, but no matter how much I study this I can't see how it can be viewed as "elitist"

 

[Buck Nekkid]

Does anyone know if there will be a "grandfather" period in the new Utah legislation? My Utah permit just renewed this past fall. Will it no longer be valid if I don't have a Texas CCW? I'm a little confused.

 

[Texan2]

Does anyone know if there will be a "grandfather" period in the new Utah legislation? My Utah permit just renewed this past fall. Will it no longer be valid if I don't have a Texas CCW? I'm a little confused.

it will still be good until it expires. Utah simply won't issue anymore of them to texans who don't have texas chl. If burnam's bill passes here in texas, you will need to get a texas chl pretty quick.

 

[Buck Nekkid]

That makes me feel better, does Burnam's bill stand a chance?

 

[Texan2]

That makes me feel better, does Burnam's bill stand a chance?

I think it doesn't have much opposition that I have heard of. He may vote for other pet projects to get others to vote for his. Just have to wait and see.

 

[TexasRedneck]

What I'd like to see is an amendment to reduce the cost of the license itself, or if they say it costs them that much to process then to extend the length of time the license is good for. AAMOF, why not make it a "lifetime" issue?

 

[Texan2]

What I'd like to see is an amendment to reduce the cost of the license itself, or if they say it costs them that much to process then to extend the length of time the license is good for. AAMOF, why not make it a "lifetime" issue?

Valid arguments that could be used as bargaining tools.