Will Texas ever go to Second Amendment Carry?

[oldjarhead56]

Getting a CHL Doesn't seem too difficult, but to me Texas should go to "Second Amendment " or what some call "Constitutional " carry like Arizona. I wish every law abiding Texan who wishes to carry would let your state representative, your state Senator, Lt. Governor and Governor know that if you can pass a NICS check, when buying a firearm, that's enough. The Second Amendment should be the ONLY "permit" that you should need.

 

[Captain]

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[BIGPAPIGREG]

OP, welcome to the forum......stop by the Introductions Thread and introduce yourself, let us know a little bit about you. Good way to meet some of the forum members, just a suggestion. Again, welcome to TGT

 

[larlev]

Im with you on the nics check.....the only thing I have issues with is the training aspect. I know we have all seen folks with chls that can't clear a simple malfunction. Yes they pass the pitiful shooting test, but really need more gun handling, scenario skills.

My only concern is folks will carry without taking the responsibility that comes with it. I understand it is "our" right, and I am a firm supporter of this aspect. I would just like to see some sort of additional training somehow implemented into being able to CC or OC.

I really like the school districts policy of additional hours, and simulator training. We all shoot because we enjoy it. The idea of making it mandatory to some is always a bad idea....understand this also.
Maybe I'm way off, just a thought.

 

[oldjarhead56]

larlev, I can understand your feelings when it comes to training, but if you require training, that means government involvement. When that happens, Katy bar the door, to what they will "require" and start to erode our Second Amendment rights. Anything you buy in America comes with some type of written instructions on its use, and anything can be misused in a negligent manner. I believe the majority of people who buy a gun will do what is necessary to properly learn the use of a gun. Sure there will always be a few idiots out there. There always is. Even top professional gun handlers have NDs. It is working in Arizona, Alaska, and Vermont. It sure as heck should work here too. Law abiding Texans are good people.

 

[Acera]

For one, I don't like the NICS check angle you seem to propose. Do you mean for every singe firearm transaction or just those from a dealer???

Too many have reason to oppose the constitutional carry option. Many of them are here. Since when do you need training to exercise a right? Many CHL instructors don't want to lose the income. Lot of gun ranges make good money from the shooting portion of the process.

In Texas the CHL class is not designed to teach you how to use a firearm, it's a brief test of competency. Never intended to take a novice and make them an expert, not in the scope of the class. If a person feels they need firearm instruction a CHL class is not the place. However, the instructors that teach those classes are sometimes great resources for supplemental instruction outside the CHL course.

BTW, this discussion has been had dozen of times on this board. Not all agree with any approach. I feel some actually support the horrid example of Illinois has with their FOID cards.

When the right become contingent upon a government issued approval and/or a document, it is no longer a right but a privilege.

 

[oldjarhead56]

For one, I don't like the NICS check angle you seem to propose. Do you mean for every singe firearm transaction or just those from a dealer???

Too many have reason to oppose the constitutional carry option. Many of them are here. Since when do you need training to exercise a right? Many CHL instructors don't want to lose the income. Lot of gun ranges make good money from the shooting portion of the process.

In Texas the CHL class is not designed to teach you how to use a firearm, it's a brief test of competency. Never intended to take a novice and make them an expert, not in the scope of the class. If a person feels they need firearm instruction a CHL class is not the place. However, the instructors that teach those classes are sometimes great resources for supplemental instruction outside the CHL course.

BTW, this discussion has been had dozen of times on this board. Not all agree with any approach. I feel some actually support the horrid example of Illinois has with their FOID cards.

When the right become contingent upon a government issued approval and/or a document, it is no longer a right but a privilege.

I agree with your post. I obviously was talking dealers with reference to the NICS check. People who sell private person to private person should be responsible enough to make sure the person they are selling it to is not a felon or ineligible. My rule is only sell, or give to a friend or relative. Never a stranger. My two cents.

 

[Younggun]

 

[seeker_two]

The TX CHL course is just a test for competency, just like the DL test. However, driving is not an enumerated right....RKBA is.

I'll support testing for Constitutional carry as soon as you support testing before you can make a forum post....

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[London]

Texas will go Constitutional Carry. It's an ego thing. Frankly a lot of constituents are embarrassed we are getting beat by places like AZ and NM in that regard, and TX representatives know it.

 

[shortround]

To hell with the NICS check. It is not referenced in the United States Constitution, it is a power more appropriate to the States.

 

[kurt]

If it pisses off Obama, I surprised we haven't done it yet.

 

[pharmaco]

Im with you on the nics check.....the only thing I have issues with is the training aspect. I know we have all seen folks with chls that can't clear a simple malfunction. Yes they pass the pitiful shooting test, but really need more gun handling, scenario skills.

My only concern is folks will carry without taking the responsibility that comes with it. I understand it is "our" right, and I am a firm supporter of this aspect. I would just like to see some sort of additional training somehow implemented into being able to CC or OC.

I really like the school districts policy of additional hours, and simulator training. We all shoot because we enjoy it. The idea of making it mandatory to some is always a bad idea....understand this also.
Maybe I'm way off, just a thought.

In a perfect world, I would agree with this.

The raw incompetence and scary lack of proficiency I saw at my last renewal at Red's in round rock was pretty frightening.
But, we live in a era devoid of critical thinking, so we are required to stand fast in politics. It stinks.

 

[wakal]

I train cops regularly. The level of raw incompetence and scary lack of proficiency is pretty frightening.

I also teach other civilians, same thing different batch of civilians.

However, the Second Amendment means exactly what it says. But until we get rid of the Democrats running this state...and I mean Perry and Dewhurst...we won't recognize it here.


Alex

 

[breakingcontact]

Perry isnt in the same category as Dewhurst. That being said I did vote for Patterson. Hope you find Abbott promising.

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[franzas]

I don't mind a little red tape to get a permit. Just enough to keep the criminals and gangbangers out. I'm a perfectly law-abiding citizen so I should have no problem getting through it
In principal, constitutional carry is a great expression of our rights. The only thing that scares me is that any thug that conceals would then be legal.

There is absolutely no reason to have a qualification test or fingerprints on file. I haven't committed a crime. They don't need my prints.

 

[matefrio]

I don't mind a little red tape to get a permit. Just enough to keep the criminals and gangbangers out. I'm a perfectly law-abiding citizen so I should have no problem getting through it
In principal, constitutional carry is a great expression of our rights. The only thing that scares me is that any thug that conceals would then be legal.

There is absolutely no reason to have a qualification test or fingerprints on file. I haven't committed a crime. They don't need my prints.

Just a little freedom traded for the sense of security is ok?

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[franzas]

Just a little freedom traded for the sense of security is ok?

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That all depends on who's defining 'freedom' and 'security.' I wouldn't leave it up to politicians to define.

If it were up to me, I'd have it be no more intrusive than a background check that you need anyways to purchase a firearm. No class, no training, no qualifier, just a BG check for concealed and unrestricted OC

 

[Hoji]

That all depends on who's defining 'freedom' and 'security.' I wouldn't leave it up to politicians to define.

If it were up to me, I'd have it be no more intrusive than a background check that you need anyways to purchase a firearm. No class, no training, no qualifier, just a BG check for concealed and unrestricted OC

Should your medical history be included in the background check? How about your driving record?

 

[franzas]

Should your medical history be included in the background check? How about your driving record?

WTF? No.

Whatever the BG check entails when you purchase a firearm. That's it.