Your 9MM is over rated

[Whalercohasset]

Odd, everything I've shot with it died quite nicely and without much delay.

 

[Txhighlander]

Meh, shot placement, shot placement and shot placement.

 

[John Sam Rayburn]

What are the diameter of the wound channels? Makes a difference.

2 millimeters difference, about the width of a pencil lead.

In other words, inconsequential for bleed-out or a CNS hit compared to 6 additional wound channels.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Meh, shot placement, shot placement and shot placement.

But ya gotta Train, Train, Train with whatcha shooting. I kid but someone told me that

 

[seeker_two]

In perspective, .380ACP is a 9mm, too.....

 

[oldag]

Too many variables to draw much in the way of conclusions.

 

[O.S.O.K. 1961]

Best stopping power? One shot stop? Seems to match what I saw on the streets.

Analyzing 1800 Shootings: Which Caliber Has the Best Stopping Power? - Tier Three Tactical

I'll cut to the chase. Stopping power is largely a myth. Regardless of what the internet tells you, there aren't any magic rounds that are guaranteed to stop someone violently attacking you. However, there certainly are calibers that perform much better than others. This article is going to look...

www.tierthreetactical.com

I can't take that information very seriously as it contradicts itself many times over... I am sure there are good reasons for that but it just doesn't provide usable information. And you can't convince me that the .380 ACP is equal to the .357 Magnum or better than the other larger, more powerful cartridges as shown. So....

 

[Otto_Mation]

In perspective, .380ACP is a 9mm, too.....

Very true. It is known as 9mm kurtz (short) in some counties.

 

[Sasquatch]

In perspective, .380ACP is a 9mm, too.....

Good point - if they're not recovering the casings and the weapon - how are they going to know if it's actually a 9x19 or a 9x18 - especially one of the weirder light 9x19 loadings? I worked with a guy who carried 95 grain Blackhawk 9x19 rounds for work once upon a time, when they had their ammo that was all over the gun magazines. I don't think you can tell from a wound channel if its a 9x19 or a .380 either.

 

[O.S.O.K. 1961]

.380ACP is to 9mm like 40S&W is to 10mm

 

[Darkpriest667]

It’s because people with .380’s and .357’s have better shot placement than those with 18 rounds of 9mm who can’t miss fast enough.

so again shot placement is more important than caliber. So the article/research is clickbait bullshit.

 

[usmcpmi]

I'd like to see the actual case information they pulled those tables from...looks like pure BS to me. Only 70% one shot stops with a shotgun? What gauge? What load? What distance? And only 70% one shot stops with a rifle? Again, what caliber? What distance? Who's on the trigger? I think I'll make up my own mind about which weapon I use, and how and when I deploy it. Pretty sure I can top 70%.

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[seeker_two]

.380ACP is to 9mm like 40S&W is to 10mm

So....they're downloading most 9mm to .380ACP specs now?.....

 

[Tnhawk]

so again shot placement is more important than caliber. So the article/research is clickbait bullshit.

A miss with at 44 is the same with a 22.

 

[Texasgordo]

Ask the two 200 plus pound men in pain unable to stand up, that I had to deal with years ago, what they think of 9mm.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

"hollow points really only create a slightly larger wound channel"???

 

[cycleguy2300]

If wound channels equal stopping power, I choose 10 Guage with "00" buckshot. My loads are 16 pellets per shot...holds 5 rounds
Survey says...86 wound channels.
Ouch.

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Used to have a conference lecture from an anesthesia conference saved, but lost it...

A Dr, talking about treating GSW and went over survivability stats.

For pistol calibers, 22lr on up, the single most important factor in predicting the patients death was THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS ON TARGET. Not caliber, not expanding or hardball.
I.E 2 hits of 22lr was more probably lethal than 1 hit of anything else.

Follow up shots/recoil management is VERY important and for the same training a 9mm will allow faster and more accurate follow up shots.

The common factor of "failure" for pistol rounds is lack of penatration, that also went for 22lr, 9mm, 45, 40 etc. They are all BARELY adequate to reach vitals.

There are only 2 ways bullets kill someone. You either bleed out the same as being stabbed, or a CNS (brain or spine) hit. A CNS hit is high risk, high reward being a small very mobile target so generally your best option is COM shots or maybe a fancy pelvic girdle shot to open up holes to let blood out and the more holes the better the chances of getting something good like one of the major arteries.

I carry 9mm 124g Speer GDHP because I have to, but I'd be more than happy carrying FMJ to get a bit more penetration in a combat/SD situation. Expansion is way overrated IMO.

I say there is no shot a 9mm didnt kill that a 45acp or 40SW would have.

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[PinnedandRecessed]

Bottom line is that we live in a world or compromises.

 

[benenglish]

My mom hated pistol recoil but she had no problem with long guns. She carried a .22 revolver but at home she kept a 12 ga with slugs.

Hmmm.

Looking back, that seems like a more reasonable plan than I gave her credit for at the time.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I'd like to see the actual case information they pulled those tables from...looks like pure BS to me. Only 70% one shot stops with a shotgun? What gauge? What load? What distance? And only 70% one shot stops with a rifle? Again, what caliber? What distance? Who's on the trigger? I think I'll make up my own mind about which weapon I use, and how and when I deploy it. Pretty sure I can top 70%.

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Never believe charts or numbers for anything when Actual tests or facts aren't done or given otherwise it's all speculation that looks good on paper to the authors.