Fml.They had to wait until the principal provided a pass key.
WHy wasnt it locked in the first place then ?For those who think physical barriers are the answer:
The steel door on the classroom prevented the responders from entering the classroom. They had to wait until the principal provided a pass key.
Those measures can cut both ways.
Ask the teacher.WHy wasnt it locked in the first place then ?
This one was not bullied. People that knew it said it was evil.Skipped 16 of the 19 pages.
The problem is not simple, the solution will be even less so, but it starts at home.
There are many common threads between the mass majority of these killers and would-be killers.
Mental health issues are a common theme.
Being the target of bullies is a common theme.
Parents not being parents is a common theme.
People who KNEW the person had issues - including violent outburts - and didn't do anything is a common theme.
The bulk of these incidents has been perpetrated in the social media age - there is an undeniable connection here.
Our society has devolved to a point where we are told to accept mental perversion and illness as completely normal, acceptable behavior. We don't lock people away who need to be locked away. We have politicized education in one direction for 50 years. The family unit has been attacked and corrupted and far too many of these people come from broken homes - there is a connection there. Accountability is a thing of the past by and large.
Kids becoming bullies because its easy. My son has been experiencing it at school himself - so much so that he doesn't want to go to school most days because its relentless by more than one kid. He literally had other 11-12 year old kids telling him to *kill himself* because of the shoes he was wearing were not their approved brand. They told him to hang himself because he doesn't have a cell phone. They followed him into the bathroom telling him to kill himself because he wasn't wearing the same clothing as him. One kid took a tiktok video of him, calling him gay and posting it online.
I've talked to half a dozen other parents who are part of a facebook group for parents in our ISD - their kids are experiencing similar issues. I talked to a woman who has had kids in our district for 22 years - one of her oldest wound up taking his own life because of the relentless bullying he suffered from 4th thru 10th grade. They took him out of public schools far too late - the mental damage was done and into young adult hood he couldn't cope, and wound up shooting himself.
We're looking at private schools for our son, or homeschooling going forward. We're trying NOT to let our boy's mental health deteriorate to the point where he harms himself, or turns into one of these shooters. We're also getting him setup with a councelor, because he has told me he feels better talking to someone. Boy doesn't open up as well to us as he does to a third party.
The fact that kids at that age have devolved socially to a point they think its acceptable to harass other children and tell them to kill themselves - and I know they understand at that age what death and killing means - its beyond heart breaking. When we look at the influences - too many kids are getting access to adult-oriented media (not referring to porn here) and people have become so disgusting to one another that its common among certain groups to just randomly tell others to kill themselves. If you're on 4Chan or other sites like it - you see it a hundred times a day. They even have an abbreviation - KYS - because its become so commonplace for people to tell others to harm themselves. Some - maybe the majority, are "joking" - but there are plenty who are serious and they are part of the problem.
Social media - shit like Vine, TikTok, YouTube and Facebook have made people into egotistical, narcissistic shitheads being terrible people for "likes" and trying to 'go viral' to get some fame. Used to be shitty pranks, but its just become being overall shitty people and terrorizing innocent people. World Star is nothing but shitty people being shitty to innocent people for internet fame.
Parents not being parents. Broken homes. You could lump these together, but I look at them as similar but seperate problems. You can have kids with both parents in the home, but the parents are focused on being their childrens friends and not wanting to hurt their feelings, not wanting to set boundaries and pass down discipline and correct bad behaviors because they lack the mental and emotional fortitude and the proper skills to actually raise children. The enablement they provide coupled with the lack of guidance and discipline turns out entitled adult-sized children seriously deficient in some serious ways.
Broken homes - where one or both parents are missing is another common thread. Mom (or in very rare cases, Dad) can bust their ass, set boundaries, be disciplinarian and try their hardest - but the kids are not getting the dual input they need. IN most cases, young boys don't have a father around to show them how to grow into MEN. They don't have a proper masculine example of what it means to be a man, so you wind up with man-sized children once again seriously deficient in key developmental ways. One parent cannot do the job of both, they just can't.
In the case of the latest killer - he was living with his grandparents, who took on the role of enablers, because of tensions with his mother. Grandpa was a felon, so we can only assume generational shitbirdness is something the boy was raised around. I have seen nothing in the media talking about this boy's father - is dad in the picture?
We see what lack of fathers does - and its never good. In the ghettos of Chicago, young black men raised in single parent households are far too often turning to gangs for guidence in how to be men. They're adopting older gang bangers as the role of dad, because they didn't have one at home. Women simply don't know how to be men, anymore than men really know how to be women, so how can they teach a young boy how to be a man? Those fatherless boys wind up all too often engaged in violence because that's what they're raised in. How many shootings does Chiraq have in a given week? How many murders - and how many of those murders are gang related?
Of the school-shooters, how many of these kids grow up with Mom as the primary care giver, without a father in the picture? The only ones I know off the top of my head where the parents were in the picture are Columbine, Colorado, and Reynolds High in Troutdale Oregon, and the shooting at the junior high in Springfield, Oregon. In the later case - the killer did what seems to be a classic pattern - he killed his parents before going to school and shooting the place up. Those parents were trying to be his friends, not his parents. They KNEW he had mental issues. He was in counceling. One of the parents, IIRC, was a mental health professional. They got him into shooting and bought him the guns as a way to give him an outlet. Bad decision making there! Most of the other shooters have come from broken homes.
Of all the incidents - how many shooters were known to others for violent outbursts, mental health problems that were addressed adequately, or not addressed at all? In this latest incident here, I've read that his coworkers and classmates had all expressed concern because he talked of committing violence and was quick to anger and violent outbursts. He talked at his job of working just to save money to buy a few guns - the rifles in question. I read one response here saying he didn't work for the money to buy those rifles - but he did. Thats WHY he was working. He saved what he needed and abruptly quit a week ago. This was premeditated. Did the people who knew about his propensity for violence go to the authorities though? If they did - was it escalated properly? I think its safe to assume that in all cases, NO, it was not.
The killer in Parkland, Florida was known to local AND federal LE. There should've been an intervention far sooner. Should've been a prohibited person, but wasn't.
Sandy Hook's killer - another broken home, and another with inadequate treatment for known mental health issues. Killed mom, took her guns, then committed his evil.
Then there's the issue of the meds many of these killers are on, if they are treated. The meds themselves seem to amplify violent tendenceis. Not enough research has been done, or if it has it hasn't been disseminated widely enough and alternate therapies haven't been widely prescribed. I don't necessarily think that just because someone is prescribed drug X they should be temporarily or permenantly put on a no-guns list - but I think a case by case evaluation needs made and maybe if someone has expressed violent thoughts or behaviors before, and they're put on these meds - they should be institutionalized as well until they're better. If they don't get better, they don't get out.
This one was not bullied. People that knew it said it was evil.
Preach brotherSkipped 16 of the 19 pages.
The problem is not simple, the solution will be even less so, but it starts at home.
There are many common threads between the mass majority of these killers and would-be killers.
Mental health issues are a common theme.
Being the target of bullies is a common theme.
Parents not being parents is a common theme.
People who KNEW the person had issues - including violent outburts - and didn't do anything is a common theme.
The bulk of these incidents has been perpetrated in the social media age - there is an undeniable connection here.
Our society has devolved to a point where we are told to accept mental perversion and illness as completely normal, acceptable behavior. We don't lock people away who need to be locked away. We have politicized education in one direction for 50 years. The family unit has been attacked and corrupted and far too many of these people come from broken homes - there is a connection there. Accountability is a thing of the past by and large.
Kids becoming bullies because its easy. My son has been experiencing it at school himself - so much so that he doesn't want to go to school most days because its relentless by more than one kid. He literally had other 11-12 year old kids telling him to *kill himself* because of the shoes he was wearing were not their approved brand. They told him to hang himself because he doesn't have a cell phone. They followed him into the bathroom telling him to kill himself because he wasn't wearing the same clothing as him. One kid took a tiktok video of him, calling him gay and posting it online.
I've talked to half a dozen other parents who are part of a facebook group for parents in our ISD - their kids are experiencing similar issues. I talked to a woman who has had kids in our district for 22 years - one of her oldest wound up taking his own life because of the relentless bullying he suffered from 4th thru 10th grade. They took him out of public schools far too late - the mental damage was done and into young adult hood he couldn't cope, and wound up shooting himself.
We're looking at private schools for our son, or homeschooling going forward. We're trying NOT to let our boy's mental health deteriorate to the point where he harms himself, or turns into one of these shooters. We're also getting him setup with a councelor, because he has told me he feels better talking to someone. Boy doesn't open up as well to us as he does to a third party.
The fact that kids at that age have devolved socially to a point they think its acceptable to harass other children and tell them to kill themselves - and I know they understand at that age what death and killing means - its beyond heart breaking. When we look at the influences - too many kids are getting access to adult-oriented media (not referring to porn here) and people have become so disgusting to one another that its common among certain groups to just randomly tell others to kill themselves. If you're on 4Chan or other sites like it - you see it a hundred times a day. They even have an abbreviation - KYS - because its become so commonplace for people to tell others to harm themselves. Some - maybe the majority, are "joking" - but there are plenty who are serious and they are part of the problem.
Social media - shit like Vine, TikTok, YouTube and Facebook have made people into egotistical, narcissistic shitheads being terrible people for "likes" and trying to 'go viral' to get some fame. Used to be shitty pranks, but its just become being overall shitty people and terrorizing innocent people. World Star is nothing but shitty people being shitty to innocent people for internet fame.
Parents not being parents. Broken homes. You could lump these together, but I look at them as similar but seperate problems. You can have kids with both parents in the home, but the parents are focused on being their childrens friends and not wanting to hurt their feelings, not wanting to set boundaries and pass down discipline and correct bad behaviors because they lack the mental and emotional fortitude and the proper skills to actually raise children. The enablement they provide coupled with the lack of guidance and discipline turns out entitled adult-sized children seriously deficient in some serious ways.
Broken homes - where one or both parents are missing is another common thread. Mom (or in very rare cases, Dad) can bust their ass, set boundaries, be disciplinarian and try their hardest - but the kids are not getting the dual input they need. IN most cases, young boys don't have a father around to show them how to grow into MEN. They don't have a proper masculine example of what it means to be a man, so you wind up with man-sized children once again seriously deficient in key developmental ways. One parent cannot do the job of both, they just can't.
In the case of the latest killer - he was living with his grandparents, who took on the role of enablers, because of tensions with his mother. Grandpa was a felon, so we can only assume generational shitbirdness is something the boy was raised around. I have seen nothing in the media talking about this boy's father - is dad in the picture?
We see what lack of fathers does - and its never good. In the ghettos of Chicago, young black men raised in single parent households are far too often turning to gangs for guidence in how to be men. They're adopting older gang bangers as the role of dad, because they didn't have one at home. Women simply don't know how to be men, anymore than men really know how to be women, so how can they teach a young boy how to be a man? Those fatherless boys wind up all too often engaged in violence because that's what they're raised in. How many shootings does Chiraq have in a given week? How many murders - and how many of those murders are gang related?
Of the school-shooters, how many of these kids grow up with Mom as the primary care giver, without a father in the picture? The only ones I know off the top of my head where the parents were in the picture are Columbine, Colorado, and Reynolds High in Troutdale Oregon, and the shooting at the junior high in Springfield, Oregon. In the later case - the killer did what seems to be a classic pattern - he killed his parents before going to school and shooting the place up. Those parents were trying to be his friends, not his parents. They KNEW he had mental issues. He was in counceling. One of the parents, IIRC, was a mental health professional. They got him into shooting and bought him the guns as a way to give him an outlet. Bad decision making there! Most of the other shooters have come from broken homes.
Of all the incidents - how many shooters were known to others for violent outbursts, mental health problems that were addressed adequately, or not addressed at all? In this latest incident here, I've read that his coworkers and classmates had all expressed concern because he talked of committing violence and was quick to anger and violent outbursts. He talked at his job of working just to save money to buy a few guns - the rifles in question. I read one response here saying he didn't work for the money to buy those rifles - but he did. Thats WHY he was working. He saved what he needed and abruptly quit a week ago. This was premeditated. Did the people who knew about his propensity for violence go to the authorities though? If they did - was it escalated properly? I think its safe to assume that in all cases, NO, it was not.
The killer in Parkland, Florida was known to local AND federal LE. There should've been an intervention far sooner. Should've been a prohibited person, but wasn't.
Sandy Hook's killer - another broken home, and another with inadequate treatment for known mental health issues. Killed mom, took her guns, then committed his evil.
Then there's the issue of the meds many of these killers are on, if they are treated. The meds themselves seem to amplify violent tendenceis. Not enough research has been done, or if it has it hasn't been disseminated widely enough and alternate therapies haven't been widely prescribed. I don't necessarily think that just because someone is prescribed drug X they should be temporarily or permenantly put on a no-guns list - but I think a case by case evaluation needs made and maybe if someone has expressed violent thoughts or behaviors before, and they're put on these meds - they should be institutionalized as well until they're better. If they don't get better, they don't get out.
Bullying is done by a large percentage of people. It will never change. One thing parents and schools took away from kids is looking down on kids being kids and not over reacting when fights happen. A bully is someone who’s asking for help but he’s fucked up and can’t get help.Kids becoming bullies because its easy. My son has been experiencing it at school himself - so much so that he doesn't want to go to school most days because its relentless by more than one kid. He literally had other 11-12 year old kids telling him to *kill himself* because of the shoes he was wearing were not their approved brand. They told him to hang himself because he doesn't have a cell phone. They followed him into the bathroom telling him to kill himself because he wasn't wearing the same clothing as him. One kid took a tiktok video of him, calling him gay and posting it online.
Bullying is done by a large percentage of people. It will never change. One thing parents and schools took away from kids is looking down on kids being kids and not over reacting when fights happen. A bully is someone who’s asking for help but he’s fucked up and can’t get help.
When I was a kid I got into plenty of fights. Some resulted in me apologizing to the other kid despite me winning, because it was stupid and I felt bad. Other times a friendship was formed.
In my early 20’s I worked for a middle school and one of my methods that to my surprise no one gave me shit over was having kids do push ups when they made fun of other kids. Lol I know...I’d probably be fired and arrested in this day and age but I told the kids they are free to say what they want but if they make fun of others we can both laugh together as you give me 20. Know what the kids hardly did almost not at all?
All this is just conversation. The shooter was mental and none of this applies to him.
Twisted little puke might have even been arrested in 2018 for planning a school shooting. The math works out, and it was released to the custody of its mother.This one was more of the "known violent outburst" types. Coworkers and classmates have come forth with this info. Nothing of substance was done to address it.
Oh it transformed them. Much less outbursts and much more working together.Yeah, the way institutions like schools deal with bullying has changed - not for the better. When a child defends themselves against a bully - they're as likely or moreso to get in trouble.
My son knows how to fight. I've had to drill it into his head though that we don't use violence to respond to words - even though that's what could stop his issues dead in their tracks I'm sure - but the school would see his actions as a violent assault on the other child who was saying nasty words. Overreaction by the schools part tend to go in one direction - and no doubt they'd want assault charges and shit. I don't want my boy fucking up his future because of some shithead kid that is too chicken shit to throw hands, but using words to incessantly terrorize him and put the notion of self harm into his head. So our solution is to remove him from that environment and go to a private school. Tyring to schedule a tour with one here in town, a good Christian private school with 90 students from K-12, as opposed to putting him back into the public intermediate school with over a thousand kids in just 5th and 6th grade.
I like your solution - but as you pointed out - its rare. Nothing wrong with push ups as a punishment - builds muscle while building character. School admins would no doubt view that as abuse today though, because it hurts the self esteem of the kids saying stupid things.
Heh true, when I was young I jumped out of my car to get in this kid's face because he flicked a cigarette and it (accidentally) bounced off the hood of my car. Fast forward 30 years and we're still good friends.When I was a kid I got into plenty of fights. Some resulted in me apologizing to the other kid despite me winning, because it was stupid and I felt bad. Other times a friendship was formed.