Most over rated rifle cartridge

[zackmars]

Hands down the .223 Remington/5.56. When I was growing up it was considered a medium range varmint cartridge and a short range deer cartridge with the right bullets, pretty much the same as the .222. Then along comes the AR Fan Boi's and now it's perfect for just about everything short of anti-aircraft.

Odd, considering it was developed for military use from the very beginning

 

[Younggun]

Competitions, not completions. And no, it's the exact opposite of tacti-cool weekend warriors, large magazines and high visibility targets. I was going to explain the discipline and principles of High Power here, but if you don't know what it is, then you probably have no interest in learning what it is.
My point was that in said competition competitors use the 5.56 at 600 yds., but at that range a .224" bullet, regardless of weight, isn't much more than something with which to poke a hole in a piece of paper.

And is the goal of the competition to pole holes in a piece of paper?

 

[35 Whelen]

And is the goal of the competition to pole holes in a piece of paper?

Yes, which requires a high level of marksmanship and the principles thereof. No benches or supports of any kind, other than a sling. If you're interested, read up. But this to me is the opposite of tacti-cool, i.e.- running and emptying magazines at close range targets.

 

[35 Whelen]

Odd, considering it was developed for military use from the very beginning

Why is it odd to you that the commercial version of the 5.56 is considered a medium range varmint cartridge and short range deer cartridge?

 

[zackmars]

Why is it odd to you that the commercial version of the 5.56 is considered a medium range varmint cartridge and short range deer cartridge?

It was called the .223 Remington before it was called the 5.56. The military bought it as the .223 before they bought it as the 5.56

 

[Younggun]

Yes, which requires a high level of marksmanship and the principles thereof. No benches or supports of any kind, other than a sling. If you're interested, read up. But this to me is the opposite of tacti-cool, i.e.- running and emptying magazines at close range targets.

Then why is it a problem that .223 is being used?

 

[Younggun]

It was called the .223 Remington before it was called the 5.56. The military bought it as the .223 before they bought it as the 5.56

Yep. 5.56 came about because it doesn’t technically adhere to SAAMI specs. But I’m all practical purposes they are the same.

 

[Eastexasrick]

5.56 came about because those EU NATO fags could not figure out the Imperial system.

 

[Younggun]

5.56 came about because those EU NATO fags could not figure out the Imperial system.

This isn’t really correct.

Forgotten Weapons has a video that gets in to it. But 5.56 can’t be labeled as .223 for various reasons relating to minor changes during its military history. Giving it a metric name can probably be blamed on NATO, but not the reason for having a different name.

 

[Eastexasrick]

This isn’t really correct.

Forgotten Weapons has a .........

Woooosh, it's called puffing*

*Puffing is generally an expression or exaggeration made by a person that concerns the quality of goods or facts. It presents opinions rather than facts to entice a buyer or person into accepting a falsehood as correct. Such statements as "this car is in great shape" proceeded by " I am not going to lie" constitute puffing.

 

[Younggun]

Woooosh, it's called puffing*

*Puffing is generally an expression or exaggeration made by a person that concerns the quality of goods or facts. It presents opinions rather than facts to entice a buyer or person into accepting a falsehood as correct. Such statements as "this car is in great shape" proceeded by " I am not going to lie" constitute puffing.

Well, you’re welcome to puff whatever makes you happy.

I’ll just stick to the facts.

 

[Eastexasrick]

I’ll just stick to the facts.

Grim, and dry.

 

[RaySendero]

Where in 300 bo?

I did not see the 300 Black-Out on any of the lists I found?!

 

[Younggun]

Grim, and dry.

Mostly just trying to stir the pot.

 

[seeker_two]

Grim, and dry.

....the way I like my martini....

 

[smtimelevi]

I'm proud of who I am. If you closed minded people don't like it, I might rage quit. I wouldn't mind a wildcat like an Ackley improved 6.5 CM - but mine just seems to have the cartridges slide right into the chamber. Extraction is a problem. It's inconsistent in pulling out, you really have to be aggressive about pulling the bolt out for full ejection. I'm just saying, that's my gun - yours might be different.

You probably need to disassemble the bolt. Ejection spring could be full of brass flakes. This is common with hot loads

 

[smtimelevi]

I voted 30 carbine nothin like a powder puff round in a rifle.

25-06 deserves a mention here. Ton of powder capacity, pushing a small bullet really fast and flat is great. It just didn’t have the twist rate to stabilize long projectiles.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I voted 30 carbine nothin like a powder puff round in a rifle.

25-06 deserves a mention here. Ton of powder capacity, pushing a small bullet really fast and flat is great. It just didn’t have the twist rate to stabilize long projectiles.

They never made long or heavy projectiles for the 1/4 bore but they do now.
You need a faster twist barrel but it's doable.
Side note: Heavy bullets aren't needed for killing animals or hitting targets. And inside of 500 yards technically the threshold is 600 yards but they add zero ovrerall performance.

 

[Younggun]

They never made long or heavy projectiles for the 1/4 bore but they do now.
You need a faster twist barrel but it's doable.
Side note: Heavy bullets aren't needed for killing animals or hitting targets.

Neither are center fire cartridges. But they can make it a lot more consistent.

 

[crashdummy38]

What are y’all’s thoughts on the most over rated cartridge? Mine is the 7mm Rem mag…not a whole lot of gain over the 270/280/3006, while using more powder and producing more recoil.

agree, the 270 and 280 do more with less, best of the crop is the 280 AI